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#1 User is offline   Ant590 

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Posted 2008-October-21, 17:04

(1♦) - 1♥ - (pass) - 1♠
(pass) - 2♦

What do people use a cuebid here as?

I have the agreement that 1♠ is forcing, so the obvious candidates would be a good spade raise (or whatever 3♦ would be in the sequence 1♥ - (2♦) - 2♠ - (pass) ), or a max overcall, i.e. generic forcing bid. What agreements do you have for this kind of sequence?

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Posted 2008-October-21, 17:11

I play it as natural, and have always been very happy that way. I know I used to be in a very small minority, I don't know if that's still the case or not.
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Posted 2008-October-21, 17:31

It doesnt seem at all obvious to me to play it as a spade raise.

You already have 2♠, 3♠, 4♠ etc as spade raises as well as splinters so it would seem to be very inefficient to play a cue as a raise.
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Posted 2008-October-21, 18:00

I like to play it as a cuebid, but it doesn't promise spade support. A typical hand where a cuebid might be useful would be AQ KJxxxx xx AQx (flexible hand).
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Posted 2008-October-21, 18:59

Ant590, on Oct 21 2008, 06:04 PM, said:

What do people use a cuebid here as?

rogerclee, on Oct 21 2008, 07:00 PM, said:

I like to play it as a cuebid

Bold choice ;)
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Posted 2008-October-21, 20:52

General force, with responder's first priority to show a stopper in diamonds. I might have a running heart suit and the ace of clubs, looking to get to 3N, for example.
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Posted 2008-October-21, 23:37

CSGibson, on Oct 21 2008, 06:52 PM, said:

General force, with responder's first priority to show a stopper in diamonds. I might have a running heart suit and the ace of clubs, looking to get to 3N, for example.

I like it as a general force since an overcall can be like 6-18 and a new suit can be almost as undefined.

Someone, somewhere in these auctions actually needs to try to define their range and cuebid serves the purpose quite nicely.
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Posted 2008-October-22, 00:16

As 1♠ can be bid on a four-card-suit (yes it can!), I prefer it to show a good hand with three-card support.
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Posted 2008-October-22, 01:33

Generic forcing bid, asking for further description,
e.g. a stopper.

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Posted 2008-October-22, 04:15

Thanks for all your replies.

A further question for the generic forcing (i.e. not natural), people:

would 2♣ after 1♠ be non-forcing? (think this might be wtp...)
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Posted 2008-October-22, 04:22

Agree with this cuebid is a cuebid :P.

2♣ after 1♠ is NF, wtp :P.
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Posted 2008-October-22, 09:07

Ant590, on Oct 22 2008, 02:15 AM, said:

Thanks for all your replies.

A further question for the generic forcing (i.e. not natural), people:

would 2♣ after 1♠ be non-forcing? (think this might be wtp...)

2♣ is NF and is up to roughly a 12-13 count. You should also ask the question if 1♠ is forcing (it is for me).
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Posted 2008-October-22, 09:32

Glad to see I'm still in a small minority, I won't bust that one out!
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Posted 2008-October-22, 09:37

jdonn, on Oct 22 2008, 04:32 PM, said:

Glad to see I'm still in a small minority, I won't bust that one out!

Would you still treat it as natural if it were a major?
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Posted 2008-October-22, 09:39

Ant590, on Oct 22 2008, 10:37 AM, said:

jdonn, on Oct 22 2008, 04:32 PM, said:

Glad to see I'm still in a small minority, I won't bust that one out!

Would you still treat it as natural if it were a major?

No. That's just overboard.
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