[the hog]

Imps, all vul

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(1S) 1N (4S) 5H
(5S)

K of C led followed by a H switch. +100, the datum -440

Before you criticise the 5S bid too much; this was made by a former National representative. His comment to his partner was that at the 5 level he did not know who was making what and his hand shape strongly suggested a 5S bid.

[Flame]

The_Hog, on Apr 14 2004, 08:28 PM, said:

Imps, all vul

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(1S) 1N (4S) 5H
(5S)

K of C led followed by a H switch. +100, the datum -440

Before you criticise the 5S bid too much; this was made by a former National representative. His comment to his partner was that at the 5 level he did not know who was making what and his hand shape strongly suggested a 5S bid.

I wouldnt blame the 5sp bidder i think he got his bid, the 4sp is more of a question since his hand isnt too ofensive, the A of spade and Qs of minors are defensive values, and doublton heart isnt good either, maybe its better to bid this as a 4 card supprt at the 3 level.

[Fluffy]

What is this post about? I don´t know what -440 datum means sorry.

BTW agree with flame, 5♠ is a good bid, just unlucky today.

[Trpltrbl]

5 Level is for the opps. But I have a little bit of a problem with the 4♠ bid, think it is too strong. I would bid 3♥ as a 4 card limit raise. Not perfect I agree, but 4 ♠ is less perfect. And playing with a pd who opens light or agressive, maybe using ZAR, I have to keep that in mind. But the 1 NT overcall sure made life harder.

Mike

[inquiry]

Fluffy, on Apr 15 2004, 05:01 AM, said:

What is this post about? I don´t know what -440 datum means sorry.

BTW agree with flame, 5♠ is a good bid, just unlucky today.

I love raptor.

Yes, 5♠ was not a bad bid. The question is was 4♠ the right bid? With five ♠'s, a jump to 4♠ is not too much of an overbid. It is true, the hand is just worth an invite to 4♠ however. But poor North, looking at what is likey only one or two defensive tricks and hearing an agruably could be very weak raise to 4♠, is looking at a situation where five of either major may make (exchange ♠A and ♠K).

What I think Ron means by datum, is that when a lot of pairs played this hand, roughly the average result for EW was minus 440. A lot of this was 4♠NS making four (-620), some no doubt was 5♥X down one (-200), and a few, like here NS pushed too far and went off one in 5♠ +100.

South would have been better suited to show a limit raise of ♠, then accept being pushed to game. That way, north would have been in the position to beforced to double 5♥ because a "forcing pass" might get him to 6♠. And since his partner's "limit raise" would promise some values, he would not be so quick to try to defend.

[the hog]

What I think Ron means by datum, is that when a lot of pairs played this hand, roughly the average result for EW was minus 440. A lot of this was 4♠NS making four (-620), some no doubt was 5♥X down one (-200), and a few, like here NS pushed too far and went off one in 5♠ +100.

Ben is correct in his comments here Fluffy. We always publish the datums so that in an imped pairs event you can see how you did against the field.

[flytoox]

This hand has nothing to do with raptor, a natural overcall of 2H will reach same contract most of the time.

whether raptor is a good convention is another issue.

[inquiry]

flytoox, on Apr 16 2004, 06:05 AM, said:

This hand has nothing to do with raptor, a natural overcall of 2H will reach same contract most of the time.

whether raptor is a good convention is another issue.

Would you really make a natural overcall of 2♥ on four hearts to the 10? Your bid would be 2♣ and by the time your partner gets to bid, the bidding will be at 4♠, so he has no chance to overcall 2♥ on his lovely ♥suit.

[flytoox]

inquiry, on Apr 16 2004, 11:21 AM, said:

flytoox, on Apr 16 2004, 06:05 AM, said:

This hand has nothing to do with raptor, a natural overcall of 2H will reach same contract most of the time.

whether raptor is a good convention is another issue.

Would you really make a natural overcall of 2♥ on four hearts to the 10? Your bid would be 2♣ and by the time your partner gets to bid, the bidding will be at 4♠, so he has no chance to overcall 2♥ on his lovely ♥suit.

Oops, sry, i misread the hand. appologize to ron.

btw, can anyone tell me how to cancel a post i posted? Many thanks in advance.

fly