[maggieb]

Hi,

At IMP scoring (NV all), you hold:

♠x
♥AKQxxx
♦xx
♣KJTx

And the bidding goes (you deal):

1♥ 1♠ 2♥ 3♥
4♥ 4♠ P P
?

Would you bid again?

[Lobowolf]

If I took over the auction here, I probably would; if it were my hand in the first place, I'd have bid 4♣ rather than 4♥ in the hopes that partner would be better placed to know what to do over 4♠.

[pclayton]

I would have bid 4♣ over 3♥. It identifies where your cards are and helps pard make a decision over 4♠.

Not having done that (and some here will disagree with 4♣), I'm a little stuck. Pard will not know if we are bidding 4♥ to make, or something cheap, or just 'one more'. I would not expect pard to double 4♠ with say the ♣A and the ♦K for instance.

I would probably pass 4♠, since I don't think we are coming close to making 5♥. On a bad day it will go for 500 which shows no profit against 4♠.

[jdonn]

I very strongly agree with 4♣ over 3♥. As it is I am on a total guess, 5♥ could have play to make or could be an expensive phantom. I will guess pass.

[louisg]

Do the people who advocate a 4C bid last round think that it creates a forcing auction?

[Echognome]

louisg, on Oct 15 2008, 01:16 PM, said:

Do the people who advocate a 4C bid last round think that it creates a forcing auction?

Yes. Forcing to 4♥.

[pclayton]

Echognome, on Oct 15 2008, 01:20 PM, said:

louisg, on Oct 15 2008, 01:16 PM, said:

Do the people who advocate a 4C bid last round think that it creates a forcing auction?

Yes. Forcing to 4♥.

For Gnome and I, yes. I think RS says 4♣ creates a force through 4♠.

[gnasher]

louisg, on Oct 15 2008, 10:16 PM, said:

Do the people who advocate a 4C bid last round think that it creates a forcing auction?

I don't think it should, because there isn't much benefit to playing it that way. If I wanted to show clubs and force a decision from partner, I could bid 4♣ and then double 4♠.

I could also set up a forcing pass without showing a side suit, by bidding 3♠ over 3♥.

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2008-October-16, 02:09

[Cascade]

louisg, on Oct 16 2008, 09:16 AM, said:

Do the people who advocate a 4C bid last round think that it creates a forcing auction?

No I play this simply to help partner make a good decision at the five-level in the anticipated competition.

[OleBerg]

gnasher, on Oct 16 2008, 10:08 AM, said:

louisg, on Oct 15 2008, 10:16 PM, said:

Do the people who advocate a 4C bid last round think that it creates a forcing auction?

I don't think it should, because there isn't much benefit to playing it that way. If I wanted to show clubs and force a decision from partner, I could bid 4♣ and then double 4♠.

I could also set up a forcing pass without showing a side suit, by bidding 3♠ over 3♥.

Amen.

[FrancesHinden]

squared

[dake50]

Could partner define his raise: with 1+DT vs. purely fit values. My partner would distinguish a pure offense 2S raise from a support X type raise with a defensive trick. Thus 2S has no defense, nor do I. 5H and hope I haven't given them a second chance to find 6S.

[skjaeran]

Cascade, on Oct 16 2008, 11:21 AM, said:

louisg, on Oct 16 2008, 09:16 AM, said:

Do the people who advocate a 4C bid last round think that it creates a forcing auction?

No I play this simply to help partner make a good decision at the five-level in the anticipated competition.

Agree.

[han]

gnasher, on Oct 16 2008, 03:08 AM, said:

louisg, on Oct 15 2008, 10:16 PM, said:

Do the people who advocate a 4C bid last round think that it creates a forcing auction?

I don't think it should, because there isn't much benefit to playing it that way. If I wanted to show clubs and force a decision from partner, I could bid 4♣ and then double 4♠.

Agree, it seems best to play it as non-forcing.