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Poll: double for takeout? (48 member(s) have cast votes)

double for takeout?

  1. Yes (8 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  2. No (40 votes [83.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 83.33%

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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2008-October-18, 05:17

AQx
xxx
ATxx
Axx

1♦-?

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Posted 2008-October-18, 05:34

lol no
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Posted 2008-October-18, 06:07

Depend on style and method.

If partner rigourushly bids his 4-card majors, I wouldn't. If I have a more flexible reply-scheme, I would.
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Posted 2008-October-18, 07:54

Leave this hand for our reopening scheme. IF partner reopens.
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Posted 2008-October-18, 10:00

No.
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Posted 2008-October-18, 10:06

I was taught that this kind of hand is the reason why one should reopen when at all possible... so pass in comfort that partner will only pass 'when it's right' :)
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Posted 2008-October-18, 14:52

I find 1N a lot more appealing than double.
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Posted 2008-October-19, 01:48

If you are determined not to Pass (the "right call" with this IMO) then bid 1NT. Why tell partner that you have short diamonds and opening hand when you don't have that.
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Posted 2008-October-19, 03:36

Pass. I prefer classic takeout shape for my doubles.
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Posted 2008-October-20, 01:28

Hi,

Pass.

If you want to bid, bid 1NT.

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Posted 2008-October-20, 04:37

I was listening to the experts and a certain gold star for whom I have great respect said that the modern view is to double even with this hand. This time double didn't have any good or bad influences. Declarer played him for short diamonds but it didn't matter anyway.
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Posted 2008-October-20, 04:49

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If you want to bid, bid 1NT.


No. Don't bid 1NT unless you have a decent 15-count... I don't think Dbl is that crazy, many good things can happen. Still, pass wouldn't be crazy either and would be my choice.
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Posted 2008-October-20, 06:22

Pass, but I hate it, double is not crazy. 1NT I don't understand at all, it's just a silly overbid. Silly because nothing prevents us from agreeing 14-17NTs, if we want to overcall 1NT on bad 14's.
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Posted 2008-October-20, 06:59

I agree that 1NT is just silly. Some strong players would double but it is not my cup of tea, I would pass and not lose any sleep over it.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-October-20, 07:24

Pass for me, but I don't mind double either.

I would not overcall 1NT because I don't think the hand is quite worth it. But I would not be as unkind as MFA and Han when describing the bid. i.e. I think it is a slight stretch, an overbid, rather than 'just silly'.

Anyway, even though I like 1NT a lot more than MFA and Han do, I still don't like it enough to bid it myself.
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Posted 2008-October-20, 07:39

I think it is a big overbid, and I really don't see any reason to do it. I just don't understand why anybody would choose such a bid so I think it is silly in that sense. If you want to overcall 1NT this light then you should just agree to do so. If you agree not to do so then you shouldn't. I think.
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Posted 2008-October-20, 09:13

I kind of like double, since this is a pretty good 14. If you are getting in with a 4333, there isn't much difference between this and if the hand had ♦xxx/♣ATxx, which I'll bet everyone is doubling on. Its the 4333 12 counts that turn my stomach.

1N is silly. The hand is a lightweight. You can't really shade a 1N overcall unless the hand has some serious playing strength.
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Posted 2008-October-20, 09:26

I would double (and I suspect many other passers would as well) if my shape were 4333 or 3433, and maybe 3334, but this shape is just too wrong... it is not so much that it lacks the offensive strength if partner has a 5 card suit, or even some moysians, as it is that this is too defensive and too notrump oriented for a double, and lacks the strength to bid 1N. Pass is what it left, and it is not a crime to pass holding an opening hand.
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Posted 2008-October-20, 09:31

rogerclee, on Oct 18 2008, 07:34 AM, said:

lol no

agree, no matter what happens, partner won't be picking our best suit.
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Posted 2008-October-20, 09:38

pclayton, on Oct 20 2008, 04:13 PM, said:

If you are getting in with a 4333, there isn't much difference between this and if the hand had ♦xxx/♣ATxx, which I'll bet everyone is doubling on.

I wouldn't double with that either.
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