[Fluffy]

1eyedjack explanation is incorrect:

it has to be used after reverse, wich is 16+, not after jump shift, ,wich is 18+ and GF.

lebenshol is used on an attemp to play part score at 3 level when opener is minimun (16/17)

here is the difference:

1♣-1♦
1♠ = 12-17

1♣-1♦
2♠ =18+ GF so now lebenshol doesn´t have to be played, so no part score is posibble

bur if:

1♣-1♠
2♥- =16+ now there is no jump at all, so now 2NT=lebenshol (I learned it with the french name: 'moderateur', and you will maybe see it somewhere that way), when you are 6/7 or have great missfit and wanna play part score.


Its advantages are simple: every OTHER bid is strong and GF (included 2♠, I am not sure if it is standard, but I at least consider it that way) wich helps comunication.

[1eyedjack]

Fluffy, on Apr 20 2004, 05:40 AM, said:

1eyedjack explanation is incorrect:

it has to be used after reverse, wich is 16+, not after jump shift, ,wich is 18+ and GF.

lebenshol is used on an attemp to play part score at 3 level when opener is minimun (16/17)

here is the difference:

1♣-1♦
1♠ = 12-17

1♣-1♦
2♠ =18+ GF so now lebenshol doesn´t have to be played, so no part score is posibble

bur if:

1♣-1♠
2♥- =16+ now there is no jump at all, so now 2NT=lebenshol (I learned it with the french name: 'moderateur', and you will maybe see it somewhere that way), when you are 6/7 or have great missfit and wanna play part score.


Its advantages are simple: every OTHER bid is strong and GF (included 2♠, I am not sure if it is standard, but I at least consider it that way) wich helps comunication.

If by agreement (and a partnership is free to agree otherwise) 1♣-1♦-2♠ is GF that does not eliminate the benefit of 2N Lebensohl as a method of distinguishing between ranges of raises at the 3 level following that sequence.

So, my explanation is not incorrect. It is up to the partnership have the imagination to perceive its benefits and agree on its use.

[Fluffy]

I am sorry 1eyedjack, when I reread my last post I did edit to: 'I think 1eyedjack explanation is incorrect', somehow my connection problems again bring me problems .