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Jx Kx AT9xx T9xx.
Partner opens 4H in third seat and RHO overcalls 4S. Do you bid or pass?
Hang partner?
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Posted 2008-September-14, 20:06
Namyats?
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Posted 2008-September-14, 20:09
Yeah I bid. 5♥.
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Posted 2008-September-14, 20:55
kenrexford, on Sep 14 2008, 09:06 PM, said:
Namyats?
No, it would be relevant information so he'd mention it.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-September-14, 23:17
han, on Sep 15 2008, 02:55 PM, said:
kenrexford, on Sep 14 2008, 09:06 PM, said:
Namyats?
No, it would be relevant information so he'd mention it.
"Not Namyats" is relevant information too and he didn't mention that.
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Posted 2008-September-14, 23:18
Cascade, on Sep 15 2008, 12:17 AM, said:
han, on Sep 15 2008, 02:55 PM, said:
kenrexford, on Sep 14 2008, 09:06 PM, said:
Namyats?
No, it would be relevant information so he'd mention it.
"Not Namyats" is relevant information too and he didn't mention that.
Are you just trolling from thread to thread, trying not to contribute anything??
I have to admit, nothing but pass would really occur to me here.
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Posted 2008-September-14, 23:27
jdonn, on Sep 15 2008, 05:18 PM, said:
Cascade, on Sep 15 2008, 12:17 AM, said:
han, on Sep 15 2008, 02:55 PM, said:
kenrexford, on Sep 14 2008, 09:06 PM, said:
Namyats?
No, it would be relevant information so he'd mention it.
"Not Namyats" is relevant information too and he didn't mention that.
Are you just trolling from thread to thread, trying not to contribute anything??
I have to admit, nothing but pass would really occur to me here.
As far as I remember I have only made two posts today - this will be the third.
This one pointed out the fallacy in the argument that certain information would be provided if it was relevant.
The other post was concerning whether a new suit should be played as non-forcing after 1NT (3x). I believe it should be.
It is hard to see how you think these posts were attempts at contributing nothing.
Maybe you are just trolling looking for someone to insult.
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True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
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Posted 2008-September-14, 23:47
Pass. I can't really see why you would want to bid on this hand.
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Posted 2008-September-15, 00:00
Cascade, on Sep 15 2008, 12:27 AM, said:
As far as I remember I have only made two posts today - this will be the third.
None of which have actually answered the question asked in the post.
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This one pointed out the fallacy in the argument that certain information would be provided if it was relevant.
This would be sad if you weren't serious. That is no less trolling than if you were going around correcting everyone's spelling mistakes! And that's ignoring that your point itself was ridiculous.
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The other post was concerning whether a new suit should be played as non-forcing after 1NT (3x). I believe it should be.
Great, maybe you should start a thread on the topic.
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It is hard to see how you think these posts were attempts at contributing nothing.
Not that hard...
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Maybe you are just trolling looking for someone to insult.
I've posted 9 times today before this one, and managed to answer the question being asked or stay on the current topic on all 9, even including where I called you out! And that with having to follow your discussion-killers on numbers 8 and 9. I'd say I'm doing ok.
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Posted 2008-September-15, 00:54
This is close for me.
If partner was in first or second seat, I think 5♥ is pretty clear.
But in 3rd seat, perhaps partner has pushed the boat out, and nobody can make a 4 level contract. Bidding 5♥ will work if they bid 5♠, or if 4♠ is cold and 5♥ is a cheap save.
I have changed my mind between Pass and 5♥ a couple of times.
Perhaps it is wrong to give too much weight to partner's 3rd seat opening.
OK, 5♥ it is, prepared to apologize when we go for 500 against nothing.
If partner was in first or second seat, I think 5♥ is pretty clear.
But in 3rd seat, perhaps partner has pushed the boat out, and nobody can make a 4 level contract. Bidding 5♥ will work if they bid 5♠, or if 4♠ is cold and 5♥ is a cheap save.
I have changed my mind between Pass and 5♥ a couple of times.
Perhaps it is wrong to give too much weight to partner's 3rd seat opening.
OK, 5♥ it is, prepared to apologize when we go for 500 against nothing.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-September-15, 04:02
kenrexford, on Sep 14 2008, 09:06 PM, said:
Namyats?
Yeh I'd have to agree that jlall would mention any convention he was playing that might affect this.
Am pretty sure that not playing namyats is the default, no need for him to mention every obscure convention that he's not playing.
I must admit that I think I would also pass. Sure it could be a good save but it but I don't expect it to be a great save....and it could be a phantom or
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Posted 2008-September-15, 04:27
Pass. The pre-empt may already have done its job.
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Posted 2008-September-15, 04:34
5♥. Yes, I'll nail him. If he has a long history of speeding in this situation, I might sell, but else I'm bidding.
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Posted 2008-September-15, 05:59
It's sort of depressing that all of these threads by Justin of the TM I kibitzed and I'd have made the wrong choice.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2008-September-15, 07:56
cardsharp, on Sep 15 2008, 05:27 AM, said:
Pass. The pre-empt may already have done its job.
IMO _P = 10, 5♥ = 9, _X = 6.
Agree with Paul
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Posted 2008-September-15, 08:43
Again I had this hand at the other table so I'm biased, but it seems to me that 5H can hardly go for more than 500.
I'm generally conservative when raising partner's preempts as a passed hand, but I don't think that applies when partner opens at the 4-level.
I'm generally conservative when raising partner's preempts as a passed hand, but I don't think that applies when partner opens at the 4-level.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-September-15, 10:08
I bid at MPs but pass at IMPs.
Pard opened a green 3rd chair preempt of 4 hearts. This could be on many different hand types. 7 bagger's, 6-5's, 7 baggers with offense, etc..
500 looks like a normal result in 5♥ even when we are beating 4♠.
Pard opened a green 3rd chair preempt of 4 hearts. This could be on many different hand types. 7 bagger's, 6-5's, 7 baggers with offense, etc..
500 looks like a normal result in 5♥ even when we are beating 4♠.
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Posted 2008-September-15, 11:45
If Namyats is in play, which is not necessarily mentioned, I'd bid. If not, I pass.
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Posted 2008-September-15, 11:51
Need to know partner's style to be able to take a stand on this one.
Playing with myself, I'd bid 5♥. Good save, and might even make on a good day. I don't tend to overbid 3rd seat preempts - more often I'm stronger than a usual preempt, might have a 6-5. With some others I'm just happy they didn't double us already.
Playing with myself, I'd bid 5♥. Good save, and might even make on a good day. I don't tend to overbid 3rd seat preempts - more often I'm stronger than a usual preempt, might have a 6-5. With some others I'm just happy they didn't double us already.
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Posted 2008-September-15, 17:20
Third seat W vs R 4H preempt = could be mega crap.
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