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Responsive double rebid
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Posted 2008-September-08, 09:13
Good problem, there is something to be said for pass, 2D and 2H. Our club holding and the auction make it very likely that partner has club shortness. I'm bidding 2H, as partner is almost guaranteed to have 4+ hearts and may easily have 5. If partner has 5341 shape then I expect to hear 2S and we can retreat to 3D.
2S by partner would have been non-forcing.
2S by partner would have been non-forcing.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-September-08, 09:38
Excellent problem.
I think its very likely that pard has 2=1 in the minors. At MPs I would pass, hoping for +300 or so. Maybe its right to do that at IMPs too.
Fred's words beckon as I consider 2♥. Considering I would make the same call with xxx KJx AJxxx xx, this really feels like a serious underbid.
Put me down for 3♥. I would like a 4th trump, but otherwise I think this is a good value bid.
I think its very likely that pard has 2=1 in the minors. At MPs I would pass, hoping for +300 or so. Maybe its right to do that at IMPs too.
Fred's words beckon as I consider 2♥. Considering I would make the same call with xxx KJx AJxxx xx, this really feels like a serious underbid.
Put me down for 3♥. I would like a 4th trump, but otherwise I think this is a good value bid.
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Posted 2008-September-08, 09:47
Han, why not consider 2NT? Would that show a strong hand?
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Posted 2008-September-08, 09:50
helene_t, on Sep 8 2008, 07:47 AM, said:
Han, why not consider 2NT? Would that show a strong hand?
Yes, that's on the short list too.
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Posted 2008-September-08, 09:56
Wow all this 'excellent problem', I thought 2♥ was automatic! I certainly don't like pass at this low of a level.
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Posted 2008-September-08, 10:05
I think I would try 2♥. 2nd choice 2♦. 3rd choice pass. I like the idea of defending doubled but the level is just too low and we're unlikely to get rich by doing so. +300 would be fortunate, +100 or -180 is more realistic.
I'd be interested to hear more opinions on 2♦ vs 2♥. I feel the 4-3 moysian should play well enough. Though some may feel pard should have more than a singleton of ♦ tolerance for their responsive double in case pard has no Major.
I'm not sure I want to jump when we may have no 8 card fit. Pard can still invite over 2♥ with 5♥s and I'll move then. But going higher with values but no fit seems risky to me.
I'd be interested to hear more opinions on 2♦ vs 2♥. I feel the 4-3 moysian should play well enough. Though some may feel pard should have more than a singleton of ♦ tolerance for their responsive double in case pard has no Major.
I'm not sure I want to jump when we may have no 8 card fit. Pard can still invite over 2♥ with 5♥s and I'll move then. But going higher with values but no fit seems risky to me.
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Posted 2008-September-08, 12:13
No 2NT didn't occur to me Helene.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-September-08, 12:18
I would pass. I think partner is quite likely to have 5 spades, and we have good defense, extras, and game is unlikely.
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Posted 2008-September-08, 14:42
wtp?
I was leaning towards 2d.....then I thought maybe pass....then maybe 2h.........
If I got more time....I will think some more...
If bridge is a timed event put me down for 2h.
I was leaning towards 2d.....then I thought maybe pass....then maybe 2h.........
If I got more time....I will think some more...
If bridge is a timed event put me down for 2h.
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Posted 2008-September-08, 14:58
I pass
This is a great problem.
My reasoning is:
1. On a good day, opener is something close to 4=3=3=3 minimum and responder close to 3=3=3=4.
2. I have a good hand, and game is possible, but I can't be sure which game.
3. If I make a minimum rebid, I risk playing there when game is cold... thus partner will often pass me in 2♥ when 3N has play
4. If I make a strength showing bid... 2N or 3♥ appear to be the choices... 3♣ doesn't appeal at all for a variety of reasons... I may get to a silly contract when the other call would have worked. Thus 3♥ may get me to a poor 4♥, failing on a 4-2 trump break, while 2N may get me to 3N, and my hand doesn't much look like notrump anyway
5. If they make it, they score 180... hardly a disaster unless we can find and make a game
6. if they go down, they could easily fail by 3 tricks.
My plan is to lead the diamond Ace and to continue with diamonds unless the appearance of dummy and/or partner's card suggests otherwise. I think this is the way to a maximal outcome if partner is, for example, QJ10xx Axxx xx xx, and give partner the club J or even the 9, on some layouts, and this could be bloody.
This is a great problem.
My reasoning is:
1. On a good day, opener is something close to 4=3=3=3 minimum and responder close to 3=3=3=4.
2. I have a good hand, and game is possible, but I can't be sure which game.
3. If I make a minimum rebid, I risk playing there when game is cold... thus partner will often pass me in 2♥ when 3N has play
4. If I make a strength showing bid... 2N or 3♥ appear to be the choices... 3♣ doesn't appeal at all for a variety of reasons... I may get to a silly contract when the other call would have worked. Thus 3♥ may get me to a poor 4♥, failing on a 4-2 trump break, while 2N may get me to 3N, and my hand doesn't much look like notrump anyway
5. If they make it, they score 180... hardly a disaster unless we can find and make a game
6. if they go down, they could easily fail by 3 tricks.
My plan is to lead the diamond Ace and to continue with diamonds unless the appearance of dummy and/or partner's card suggests otherwise. I think this is the way to a maximal outcome if partner is, for example, QJ10xx Axxx xx xx, and give partner the club J or even the 9, on some layouts, and this could be bloody.
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Posted 2008-September-09, 14:56
so what happened?
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Posted 2008-September-09, 14:59
I agree with Josh. Partner could have all sorts of stuff, so passing at this low a level seems like putting too many eggs in one basket. I think the other bids besides 2♥ overstate my hand in various ways.
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Posted 2008-September-14, 09:09
jchiu, on Sep 8 2008, 12:13 AM, said:
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1♣ 1♦ 2♣ Dbl
Pass ???
1♣ 1♦ 2♣ Dbl
Pass ???
2♣X is unlikely to make and it isn't game if it does.
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jdonn, on Sep 8 2008, 10:56 AM, said:
Wow all this 'excellent problem', I thought 2♥ was automatic! I certainly don't like pass at this low of a level.
Agree with this, don't think we can pass when partner can easily be 5-5 majors and we have a lowish HCP game and can't beat 2C.
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Posted 2008-September-15, 09:41
Jlall, on Sep 14 2008, 07:00 PM, said:
jdonn, on Sep 8 2008, 10:56 AM, said:
Wow all this 'excellent problem', I thought 2♥ was automatic! I certainly don't like pass at this low of a level.
Agree with this, don't think we can pass when partner can easily be 5-5 majors and we have a lowish HCP game and can't beat 2C.
Agree. 2♥ for me too.
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Posted 2008-September-15, 10:24
Add me to the 2♥ bidders.
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1♣ 1♦ 2♣ Dbl
Pass ???