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Forcing Pass?
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Posted 2008-September-10, 22:25
An auction from club tonight:
All red. MPs
1NT-P-4H-Dbl
4S-5H-?
Is pass FORCING?!
What do you do with:
All red. MPs
1NT-P-4H-Dbl
4S-5H-?
Is pass FORCING?!
What do you do with:
Kevin Fay
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Posted 2008-September-10, 23:19
Not forcing.
Helene can tell you what the law of total tricks says after you post the vulnerability and the forum of scoring. I'll likely bid 5S.
Helene can tell you what the law of total tricks says after you post the vulnerability and the forum of scoring. I'll likely bid 5S.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-September-11, 02:33
No, pass is certainly not forcing.
5S looks reasonable, even if I can only come up with the
old excuse "What do you call a 8 card suit?"
Woth kind regards
Marlowe
5S looks reasonable, even if I can only come up with the
old excuse "What do you call a 8 card suit?"
Woth kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2008-September-11, 02:38
I make a nonforcing pass.
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Posted 2008-September-11, 08:29
Ive had a couple of similar hands and depending on the vulnerability sometimes i prefer to bid 4S directly instead of making the Texas. Wrongsiding might cost less than allowing a "invite to sacrifice" double.
It doesnt really happen often enough so that i can make a good judgement about it.
Anyway pass is not forcing.
It doesnt really happen often enough so that i can make a good judgement about it.
Anyway pass is not forcing.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2008-September-11, 08:40
Pass is not forcing.
I bid 5S.
I bid 5S.
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
So many experts, not enough X cards.
So many experts, not enough X cards.
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Posted 2008-September-11, 08:52
Agree that pass is not forcing.
I would also bid 5♠.
4♠ directly is not available to me, as I differentiate between a strong invitational raise to 6NT (4NT) and a weaker invitational raise to 6NT (4♠). Besides, why would you want to declare 4♠?
I would also bid 5♠.
4♠ directly is not available to me, as I differentiate between a strong invitational raise to 6NT (4NT) and a weaker invitational raise to 6NT (4♠). Besides, why would you want to declare 4♠?
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Posted 2008-September-11, 08:59
han, on Sep 11 2008, 06:19 AM, said:
Not forcing.
Helene can tell you what the law of total tricks says after you post the vulnerability and the forum of scoring. I'll likely bid 5S.
Helene can tell you what the law of total tricks says after you post the vulnerability and the forum of scoring. I'll likely bid 5S.
yes, p is 3-3 in the majors so there are 20 total tricks and the five-level might belong to nobody, but at equal vulnerability 5♠ has bigger chance of being the winner.
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Posted 2008-September-11, 09:00
definitely not forcing, texas does not promise any HCP at all.
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Posted 2008-September-11, 09:08
I think I've mentioned this before, but I had this exact auction on OKB about 9-10 years ago, and I swore up and down that pass was forcing, when we collected 150 out of 5♥.
I'm smarter now
I'm smarter now
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Posted 2008-September-11, 11:59
Wiser maybe.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-September-11, 13:42
Pass is non-forcing.
I'm probably bidding 5♠ now, vulnerability and form of scoring might influence my choice.
I'm probably bidding 5♠ now, vulnerability and form of scoring might influence my choice.
Kind regards,
Harald
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Posted 2008-September-11, 14:48
ArtK78, on Sep 11 2008, 03:52 PM, said:
Besides, why would you want to declare 4♠?
Because you have a highly distributional but fairly weak hand and you want i) the opponents to have to guess your hand rather than have e.g. a void and side suit showing in dummy, and ii) not to give them the chance to double your transfer bid.
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Posted 2008-September-11, 16:05
FrancesHinden, on Sep 11 2008, 03:48 PM, said:
ArtK78, on Sep 11 2008, 03:52 PM, said:
Besides, why would you want to declare 4♠?
Because you have a highly distributional but fairly weak hand and you want i) the opponents to have to guess your hand rather than have e.g. a void and side suit showing in dummy, and ii) not to give them the chance to double your transfer bid.
As opposed to having your RHO leading into partner's strong hand (as opposed to having LHO leading through partner's strong hand)?
Yes, you have given them the chance to double 4♥ for the lead (or not double 4♥ to suggest a different lead).
Still, you have already made the decision to give up the possibility of bidding 4♥ naturally, instead using 4♦ as a transfer. Why keep two different ways at the 4-level of getting to 4♠? There are better uses for the idle 4♠ bid. I have already presented my preference.
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