Lead against slam Active or passive?
#21
Posted 2008-September-11, 00:47
#22
Posted 2008-September-11, 02:00
Since I could be the one making our side's two tricks, I might just try a deceptive small diamond if I'm feeling lucky. Otherwise just the cookie-cutter systemic diamond.
#23
Posted 2008-September-11, 02:53
on a good day I lead king of hearts to avoid some squeeze against me later, but its too early to think about this now
#24
Posted 2008-September-11, 03:10
@ArtK78: Why would partner double 2♦ for a lead with Qxxx or 10xx?
#25
Posted 2008-September-11, 06:48
ochinko, on Sep 11 2008, 04:10 AM, said:
I did not say that. Quite frankly, I don't have any clue why you would infer that from what I said. All I said was that partner did not express a strong desire for a diamond lead.
#26
Posted 2008-September-11, 07:27
#27
Posted 2008-September-11, 07:28
dake50, on Sep 11 2008, 06:27 AM, said:
I agree, it is obvious that we must break up the triple squeeze on opening lead.
#28
Posted 2008-September-11, 08:06
It's a spade or a diamond. With xx of spades I'd try that, but against unknown opponents, I just don't dare to lead a singleton trump. So a diamond it is.
#29
Posted 2008-September-11, 09:48
It's very close, I buy most of Mikeh's analysis, and would lead a low club more often than a heart.
Harald
#30
Posted 2008-September-11, 10:52
Declarer is blasting slam knowing full well that he's missing at least two kings. Accordingly, I'm expecting a very distributional hand, that just needed trump support to make 6.
As far as whats 'active' and what's passive: A trump is completely passive on this auction, but a diamond may not be (imagine the Q in dummy and AT in declarer's hand). If the opponents are rational, there's never a concern about picking off pard's Qxx or Jxxx. If declarer was concerned about the trump Q, he could have gone slower. Both rounded suit leads are active, but I agree with Mike that a club is, in a vacuum. safer than a heart.
I think some representative hands are:
AKQxxx, A, A, AQxxx - We can't beat it. Either dummy can ruff clubs, or declarer's spots are sufficient to pick up the suit for one loser.
AKxxxxx, void, AKx, AQJ. A club lead doesn't work so hot here, since we will get strip-squeezed. Invert the clubs and hearts if you want, but this is a hand I want to go passive on - either with a trump or a diamond.
AKQxxx, AQJx, A, Ax. This is a very strange 6♠ call, but it's possible that a heart would let it in. Invert the round suits if you want.
AKQxxx, Ax, void, AQJxx. This is the only hand type where we really need to guess which King to lead from. Note that if declarer has diamonds for a 2nd suit, we should not be concerned, since dummy's side suit can't get pitched away.
If declarer has side clubs, we need to lead a heart. If declarer has side hearts, it's very possible that he can't do what he needs to do if I can count on pard to hold a reasonable doubleton (10-x) to stop the heart suit from providing too many pitches.
Note that its relevant to an active lead for dummy to hold a doubleton in declarer's suit, and three in declarer's Ax.
Hopefully this chain of reasoning isn't too flawed, but I've talked myself into a heart lead
#31
Posted 2008-September-11, 18:20
I'm somewhat puzzled that you (imo very reasonably) analyze that declarer needs to hold
- a 2-suiter with a very strong side suit (running after we get a trick with the K)
- the right two suits (it won't work to lead his side suit)
- more or less exactly Ax on the side
- the right distribution in dummy to throw the losers in the Ax suit
to make an active lead correct, and you still are going to lead away from a king? What about all the hands where opener is simply just strong enough to take a stab at slam without a long side suit?
RE the trump situation.
I have seen bad players bid like this (4♠) without the adequate trump support so often. I would be nervous about leading a trump against an unknown and pickle partner's Jxxx or Qxx or something, when dummy's has misbid and declarer is expecting more trumps.
#32
Posted 2008-September-11, 18:35
MFA, on Sep 11 2008, 04:20 PM, said:
I'm somewhat puzzled that you (imo very reasonably) analyze that declarer needs to hold
- a 2-suiter with a very strong side suit (running after we get a trick with the K)
- the right two suits (it won't work to lead his side suit)
- more or less exactly Ax on the side
- the right distribution in dummy to throw the losers in the Ax suit
to make an active lead correct, and you still are going to lead away from a king? What about all the hands where opener is simply just strong enough to take a stab at slam without a long side suit?
Hi Michael:
To me, these two suiters seem to be the relevant positions. When declarer is, say 3-3 in the off-suits, it won't matter what we lead.
I'm very curious to see the entire hand.
#33
Posted 2008-September-11, 18:42
pclayton, on Sep 11 2008, 07:35 PM, said:
MFA, on Sep 11 2008, 04:20 PM, said:
I'm somewhat puzzled that you (imo very reasonably) analyze that declarer needs to hold
- a 2-suiter with a very strong side suit (running after we get a trick with the K)
- the right two suits (it won't work to lead his side suit)
- more or less exactly Ax on the side
- the right distribution in dummy to throw the losers in the Ax suit
to make an active lead correct, and you still are going to lead away from a king? What about all the hands where opener is simply just strong enough to take a stab at slam without a long side suit?
Hi Michael:
To me, these two suiters seem to be the relevant positions. When declarer is, say 3-3 in the off-suits, it won't matter what we lead.
I'm very curious to see the entire hand.
I don't think we'll see it, since this is a master solvers' problem, as I understand it
#34
Posted 2008-September-12, 02:06
MFA, on Sep 12 2008, 12:42 AM, said:
pclayton, on Sep 11 2008, 07:35 PM, said:
MFA, on Sep 11 2008, 04:20 PM, said:
I'm somewhat puzzled that you (imo very reasonably) analyze that declarer needs to hold
- a 2-suiter with a very strong side suit (running after we get a trick with the K)
- the right two suits (it won't work to lead his side suit)
- more or less exactly Ax on the side
- the right distribution in dummy to throw the losers in the Ax suit
to make an active lead correct, and you still are going to lead away from a king? What about all the hands where opener is simply just strong enough to take a stab at slam without a long side suit?
Hi Michael:
To me, these two suiters seem to be the relevant positions. When declarer is, say 3-3 in the off-suits, it won't matter what we lead.
I'm very curious to see the entire hand.
I don't think we'll see it, since this is a master solvers' problem, as I understand it
Generally the problem setter will give the real hand or, at least, tell us what worked.
However, it will probably be 3-4 months before it is published.
I think SBU News is one of the better magazines and is always looking for new writers. If you want to get a copy then contact the editor, 2Hplus4, when he is online.
Paul
#35
Posted 2008-September-12, 02:36
Walddk, on Sep 10 2008, 04:35 AM, said:
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2♣ - 2♦*
2♠ - 4♠
6♠ - pass
* waiting.
This lead problem is from the bidding contest in the Scottish Bridge News. Since I submitted my answers already, I am not looking for help. What would you lead, and why?
Roland
As i said before I guess i really miss what the heck this post is all about...
I lead a novice heart.
shocking 4th from my lowest and best.....
#36
Posted 2008-September-12, 02:42
cardsharp, on Sep 12 2008, 10:06 AM, said:
Paul
Or by e-mail to jimmpatrick(at)aol.com
Perhaps he would also appreciate to have competent players like Michael and Phil on the panel. Current panelists are mostly Scottish of course, but we have a couple of Englishmen and a lone Dane. The problems are usually interesting, not only for experts, but also for the average club player.
Here is an interesting hand from the bidding department:
♠ 1094
♥ K2
♦ K65
♣ Q10965
At IMPs, non-vul against vul, partner opens 1♦. Your RHO bids 3♠ passed to your partner who re-opens with a double. Now you. Plenty to choose from.
If someone wants a set to see what the problems are like, just send me an e-mail and I will forward a copy. roland_wald(at)hotmail.com
Roland

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