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Posted 2008-September-08, 14:06
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2008-September-08, 14:32
Yay I pass and bid clubs later.
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Posted 2008-September-08, 14:36
pclayton, on Sep 8 2008, 03:32 PM, said:
Yay I pass and bid clubs later.
ditto
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Posted 2008-September-08, 14:38
I pass, but won't necessarily bid clubs later. I certainly will if 1NT comes back to me, but I don't want to bid them at the 3-level.
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Posted 2008-September-08, 15:06
3C directly.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-September-09, 03:19
Wow I was about to vote for 2♦. I think I have enough values that I somehow need to make a noise. Bidding clubs now would be artificial, bidding clubs later may be unsafe.
By bidding 2♦ now I accept that I won't be able to show my clubs.
By bidding 2♦ now I accept that I won't be able to show my clubs.
The world would be such a happy place, if only everyone played Acol :) --- TramTicket
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Posted 2008-September-09, 07:02
helene_t, on Sep 9 2008, 04:19 PM, said:
Wow I was about to vote for 2♦. I think I have enough values that I somehow need to make a noise. Bidding clubs now would be artificial, bidding clubs later may be unsafe.
By bidding 2♦ now I accept that I won't be able to show my clubs.
By bidding 2♦ now I accept that I won't be able to show my clubs.
2D??!!
I would bid this without the Ace of Hearts.
It really would be nice to know what the opps are playing and what the min number of Cs is.
I am tossing up between 3C and 3D and will probably choose the latter. Certainly am not passing as I will never be able to show these values after a pass.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
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Posted 2008-September-10, 07:00
Notice this thread is in "sayc & 2/1" forum.
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Posted 2008-September-10, 10:43
ahri, on Sep 10 2008, 08:00 AM, said:
Notice this thread is in "sayc & 2/1" forum.
i am not quite sure why this is relevant.
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Posted 2008-September-10, 14:27
This is fishy. I'll go with the underbid of 2♦, intending to bid 3♣ later.
If 2♦ wins the pot, then pard is probably 4-4-4-1 with 11-12, in which case we should be in the right spot.
If 2♦ wins the pot, then pard is probably 4-4-4-1 with 11-12, in which case we should be in the right spot.
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Posted 2008-September-11, 11:31
matmat, on Sep 10 2008, 11:43 AM, said:
ahri, on Sep 10 2008, 08:00 AM, said:
Notice this thread is in "sayc & 2/1" forum.
i am not quite sure why this is relevant.
Poster to which I replied asked about opponents' system, that's why.
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Posted 2008-September-11, 19:07
The_Hog, on Sep 9 2008, 08:02 AM, said:
helene_t, on Sep 9 2008, 04:19 PM, said:
Wow I was about to vote for 2♦. I think I have enough values that I somehow need to make a noise. Bidding clubs now would be artificial, bidding clubs later may be unsafe.
By bidding 2♦ now I accept that I won't be able to show my clubs.
By bidding 2♦ now I accept that I won't be able to show my clubs.
2D??!!
I would bid this without the Ace of Hearts.
It really would be nice to know what the opps are playing and what the min number of Cs is.
I am tossing up between 3C and 3D and will probably choose the latter. Certainly am not passing as I will never be able to show these values after a pass.
Points shmoints. Our long suit is lousy and sitting offside, and the suit we are bidding is just Kxxx. 2♦ seems fine to me despite that I would usually have fewer highcards. If/when I bid 3♣ next partner will know I am on the maximum side anyway, partly since I bid again a level higher, and partly since I am showing the suit bid on my left.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-September-11, 20:01
2D WTP, passing is gross and there is no reason to believe club is better than diamonds.
Over 2S ill bid 3C wich should be natural. I dont expect the bidding to die at 2D so that why i dont have a bid problem with the underbid.
Over 2S ill bid 3C wich should be natural. I dont expect the bidding to die at 2D so that why i dont have a bid problem with the underbid.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2008-September-11, 23:55
"Over 2S ill bid 3C wich should be natural. I dont expect the bidding to die at 2D so that why i dont have a bid problem with the underbid."
That's the thing....I don't think this will be interpreted as natural.
That's the thing....I don't think this will be interpreted as natural.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
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Posted 2008-September-11, 23:57
I would also have bid 2D. Is Han's 3C bid natural for sure? I guess I'll add that to my vocabulary but I would have thought of bidding that with a shapely red hand with not too many points also I think.
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Posted 2008-September-12, 09:19
probably depends on your agreements but I play that dbl is penalty here so easy pass for now. I'll double 1NT and bid 2NT if they run to 2♥
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Posted 2008-September-12, 21:00
Ive remember a more unlikely but similar example
(1C)-----P-------(1S)-------X
(P)------2H-----(2S)-------pass
(P)-------???
would 3C here be natural or a hand that want to bid 3H but invite to 4H ? I think that since game is so unlikely that 3C should be natural like 6C and 4H.
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(1C)--------X-------(1S)--------2D
(P)----------P-------(2S)--------???
or
(1C)---------X-------(1S)--------2D
(2S)---------P--------(P)--------???
(1C)----------X-------(1S)-------2D
(X) suppX----P-------(P)--------???
In these auction wich IMO are quite likely to happen 3C can only be ...
1- natural with 6 decent clubs
2- competing to 3D with extras values and still looking for game.
Im pretty sure my partner will know its 1 and that more than 50% of experts will think about 1 instead of 2 but even if they think its number 2 then that doesnt pose a big problem since 3D should be pretty cold.
The problem imo
is when the bidding goes
(1C)----------X-------(1S)-------2D
all pass. and you could have bid game.
Ive said 2D WTP but im wrong a direct 3D is probably a equally good bid. Its highly unlikely you are going down in 3D while 3C makes and it wouldnt be too surprising if RHO bid 1S with Qxxxxx in spades and that you can make a game.
(1C)-----P-------(1S)-------X
(P)------2H-----(2S)-------pass
(P)-------???
would 3C here be natural or a hand that want to bid 3H but invite to 4H ? I think that since game is so unlikely that 3C should be natural like 6C and 4H.
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(1C)--------X-------(1S)--------2D
(P)----------P-------(2S)--------???
or
(1C)---------X-------(1S)--------2D
(2S)---------P--------(P)--------???
(1C)----------X-------(1S)-------2D
(X) suppX----P-------(P)--------???
In these auction wich IMO are quite likely to happen 3C can only be ...
1- natural with 6 decent clubs
2- competing to 3D with extras values and still looking for game.
Im pretty sure my partner will know its 1 and that more than 50% of experts will think about 1 instead of 2 but even if they think its number 2 then that doesnt pose a big problem since 3D should be pretty cold.
The problem imo
is when the bidding goes
(1C)----------X-------(1S)-------2D
all pass. and you could have bid game.
Ive said 2D WTP but im wrong a direct 3D is probably a equally good bid. Its highly unlikely you are going down in 3D while 3C makes and it wouldnt be too surprising if RHO bid 1S with Qxxxxx in spades and that you can make a game.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2008-September-13, 11:49
At my table the bidding went:
1C Dbl 1S 2D
2S pass pass 3C
pass 3D 3S Dbl
pas pass pass
1C Dbl 1S 2D
2S pass pass 3C
pass 3D 3S Dbl
pas pass pass
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