[andy_h]

You're south at unfavourable. East is the dealer.
You hold:

Scoring: IMP

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RHO opens a weak 2♥. Your bid.

Side question: If you play 4m as leaping michaels, do you play 3H as stopper ask or minors? If minors, what's the difference between 3H/4H/4NT.

[kenrexford]

Good hand for Roman Jumps.

I never quite understood why Leaping Michaels became standard with Roman Jumps out there.

For those who don't know, Roman Jumps are jumps into the lower of two touching suits, with wrap-arounds:

2♦-?

3♥=♥+♠
3♠=♠+♣
4♣=♣+♥

2♥-?

3♠=♠+♣
4♣=♣+♦
4♦=♦+♥

2♠-?

4♣=♣+♦
4♦=♦+♥
4♥=♥+♣

[Gerben42]

Simple: Because a jump in a major is needed as natural bid?

[ArtK78]

Back to the original problem.

3♦. I will bid 4♣ next. I don't think you can double on these cards.

[Lobowolf]

andy_h, on Sep 7 2008, 03:52 AM, said:

You're south at unfavourable. East is the dealer.
You hold:

Scoring: IMP

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RHO opens a weak 2♥. Your bid.

Side question: If you play 4m as leaping michaels, do you play 3H as stopper ask or minors? If minors, what's the difference between 3H/4H/4NT.

I play 3♥ as a stopper ask when I play leaping Michaels.

[pclayton]

Lobowolf, on Sep 7 2008, 11:04 AM, said:

andy_h, on Sep 7 2008, 03:52 AM, said:

You're south at unfavourable. East is the dealer.
You hold:

Dealer: East Vul: N/S Scoring: IMP

♠ A2 ♥ 3 ♦ A8742 ♣ AKJ82

RHO opens a weak 2♥. Your bid.

Side question: If you play 4m as leaping michaels, do you play 3H as stopper ask or minors? If minors, what's the difference between 3H/4H/4NT.

I play 3♥ as a stopper ask when I play leaping Michaels.

Many have moved from the stopper ask to 2x-3x being mini-Michaels and 4m being GF LM.

[jdonn]

I definitely prefer cuebid is Michaels and 4m is leaping michaels, played in conjunction. On this one, I guess 3♦. 3♣ is a bit weird but could work. I wouldn't want to do anything that took me past 3NT.

[andy_h]

If 3♣ was chosen, is 3NT to play or is it showing diamonds after
2♥-3♣-3♥-P
P - 3NT ?

[MFA]

I strongly prefer a double (3♥ to the minors would be nice obviously, but I don't play that).

This is a flexible hand. If partner jumps to 4♠ or bids 4♠ in competition, I expect to be fine quite often. We need to hear partner's opinion. If we guess a minor (or 4NT) and catch a misfit not strong enough to bid, the board is over right there.

[pclayton]

andy_h, on Sep 8 2008, 05:29 AM, said:

If 3♣ was chosen, is 3NT to play or is it showing diamonds after
2♥-3♣-3♥-P
P - 3NT ?

Wow, great question.

I hate 3N as anything but natural, but I think you can make a logical argument 3N competes and shows secondary diamonds. Pard isn't barred from passing.

Otherwise, a natural 3N feels too much like a semi-bluff to me. What have you possibly learned on the last round that makes 3N more feasible than before? If anything, you should be turned off to 3N.

By the way, I like 3♦ the round before, and I hate going past 3N unilaterally.

[han]

How about 3NT as a maximal 3C overcall that wants to compete further and has a stopper, maybe something like Kx or stiff A. Something like A KQx xx KQ109xxx? Partner should bid 4C unless he delivers something that will give 3NT a shot.

[jdonn]

han, on Sep 8 2008, 01:12 PM, said:

How about 3NT as a maximal 3C overcall that wants to compete further and has a stopper, maybe something like Kx or stiff A. Something like A KQx xx KQ109xxx? Partner should bid 4C unless he delivers something that will give 3NT a shot.

That's what I believe, in fact I define it more specifically. You want partner to pass with A K or Q of your suit.

[pclayton]

jdonn, on Sep 8 2008, 11:09 AM, said:

han, on Sep 8 2008, 01:12 PM, said:

How about 3NT as a maximal 3C overcall that wants to compete further and has a stopper, maybe something like Kx or stiff A. Something like A KQx xx KQ109xxx? Partner should bid 4C unless he delivers something that will give 3NT a shot.

That's what I believe, in fact I define it more specifically. You want partner to pass with A K or Q of your suit.

With Han's example, we'll need more than that for 3N.

[jdonn]

pclayton, on Sep 8 2008, 02:18 PM, said:

jdonn, on Sep 8 2008, 11:09 AM, said:

han, on Sep 8 2008, 01:12 PM, said:

How about 3NT as a maximal 3C overcall that wants to compete further and has a stopper, maybe something like Kx or stiff A. Something like A KQx xx KQ109xxx? Partner should bid 4C unless he delivers something that will give 3NT a shot.

That's what I believe, in fact I define it more specifically. You want partner to pass with A K or Q of your suit.

With Han's example, we'll need more than that for 3N.

I don't see your point. We weren't sure of making 3♣ when we bid that either.

[han]

Also, 4C would be down as well if partner only has the club ace, and 3NT down 1 could be a good score.

[pclayton]

jdonn, on Sep 8 2008, 11:24 AM, said:

pclayton, on Sep 8 2008, 02:18 PM, said:

jdonn, on Sep 8 2008, 11:09 AM, said:

han, on Sep 8 2008, 01:12 PM, said:

How about 3NT as a maximal 3C overcall that wants to compete further and has a stopper, maybe something like Kx or stiff A. Something like A KQx xx KQ109xxx? Partner should bid 4C unless he delivers something that will give 3NT a shot.

That's what I believe, in fact I define it more specifically. You want partner to pass with A K or Q of your suit.

With Han's example, we'll need more than that for 3N.

I don't see your point. We weren't sure of making 3♣ when we bid that either.

My point is that perhaps 3N should not be 'leave it in with a club honor'.

I find it incongruent that a hand that just scrape up a 3♣ overcall wants to play 3N when pard turns up with one of the missing club honors.

If you want to define 3N as, "I don't have a solid suit", but I really want to play 3N, so pass if you have a fitting honor, and some stuff outside, I'll buy that.

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Also, 4C would be down as well if partner only has the club ace, and 3NT down 1 could be a good score.

I doubt we are going down in 4♣ when pard tables the A.

[andy_h]

I don't really know what 3NT is best used as, some people were advocating it as minors, some natural with something like a running suit with Kxx stopper.

The entire layout was something like

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