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AJ8xxx
Ax
1NT 2♣
2♦ 3♠
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Yes you opened 1NT, too bad. 3♠ is smolen so four spades, five(+?) hearts. Both vul at imps if it matters. Oops, almost forgot partner is a passed hand, you are 3rd seat.
3NT, 4♥, or 4♠?
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Posted 2008-September-06, 16:35
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Posted 2008-September-06, 17:00
Agree with 1nt, now I bid a simple 3nt though I understand those who chose other.
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Posted 2008-September-06, 21:17
3NT.
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Posted 2008-September-06, 21:20
jdonn, on Sep 6 2008, 05:35 PM, said:
JTx
Ax
AJ8xxx
Ax
1NT 2♣
2♦ 3♠
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Yes you opened 1NT, too bad. 3♠ is smolen so four spades, five(+?) hearts. Both vul at imps if it matters. Oops, almost forgot partner is a passed hand, you are 3rd seat.
3NT, 4♥, or 4♠?
Ax
AJ8xxx
Ax
1NT 2♣
2♦ 3♠
?
Yes you opened 1NT, too bad. 3♠ is smolen so four spades, five(+?) hearts. Both vul at imps if it matters. Oops, almost forgot partner is a passed hand, you are 3rd seat.
3NT, 4♥, or 4♠?
4♥
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Posted 2008-September-06, 21:44
4♥. Our hand looks much better for suit play. I'd rather bid 4♠ than 3N, although anything could be right (hell, even 5♦).
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Posted 2008-September-07, 06:13
4♥ for me. I prefer playing the 5-2 here. I don't fancy 3NT at all.
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Posted 2008-September-07, 07:51
Well, first off I think the 1N opening was at least OK - I do it on 6m322 shapes with something in each of the short suits - though this one, ace rich as it is, seems more oriented to a suit contract.
As for what to do now - who knows. 3N, 4♥, 4♠ could all be right. Even 5♦ and, for all I know, 3♠ may be our last making spot - so regardless of whether someone thinks 3♠ is forcing, pass could be the best call. Or, even 4♦ may be our last making spot. Horrible decision.
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As for what to do now - who knows. 3N, 4♥, 4♠ could all be right. Even 5♦ and, for all I know, 3♠ may be our last making spot - so regardless of whether someone thinks 3♠ is forcing, pass could be the best call. Or, even 4♦ may be our last making spot. Horrible decision.
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Posted 2008-September-07, 07:56
I will attempt the 4-3 spade fit , I can sit and watch. 3N may be ok, but also may be horrible even when partner is 4-5-2-2 , after all this D suit is not exactly running is it even should partner hold a D honor of value like the Q the C position is weak and quite possibly I will not have 9 top tricks.
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Posted 2008-September-07, 10:19
3n wtp?
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Posted 2008-September-07, 11:13
4♥. This is a suit oriented hand, and 5-2 fits usually play very well on these types of hands.
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Posted 2008-September-07, 11:26
what rogerclee said
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Posted 2008-September-07, 11:32
I would prefer if 3NT bidders elaborate more besides wtp wtp wtp. Just to spur discussion I will suggest the problem is potentially not having enough tricks...
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Posted 2008-September-07, 11:56
I agree with the game chosen by jdonn at the table.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-September-07, 12:50
I like 4♠ for a couple reasons.
The simplest being that it maximizes the value of our hand for covering partners losers with As and ruffing his long suits with trump. It looks like we're going to make this opposite AQxx Kxxxx blah blah. I hope they don't lead a trump (K on lead?)
I don't like 3NT at all. Please don't bid like this in China, Roger.
Two reasons for this:
1) They will attack clubs
2) The diamonds won't set up fast enough. unless partner has Kx and the Q is onside.
The simplest being that it maximizes the value of our hand for covering partners losers with As and ruffing his long suits with trump. It looks like we're going to make this opposite AQxx Kxxxx blah blah. I hope they don't lead a trump (K on lead?)
I don't like 3NT at all. Please don't bid like this in China, Roger.
Two reasons for this:1) They will attack clubs
2) The diamonds won't set up fast enough. unless partner has Kx and the Q is onside.
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Posted 2008-September-07, 13:07
I'm going to go with 4♥. It will probably come down to which major is better held by partner.
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Posted 2008-September-07, 14:48
3N wtp for me because when I simulate this giving responder an unlimited hand (9+),
3N works out better than 4M approx. 25 percent of the time.
If you prefer answers based on relevant facts only, then 4H is better than 3N and 4S approx. 20 percent of the time. For example, 4H is better than 3N on all of these hands:
Q973.QJ654.T.KQ5
A654.KQT95.T9.J5
AQ97.KJ643.9.543
KQ65.KQT76.53.76
KQ74.Q8654.3.K84
But won't responder always bid on over 3N when he has concentration of values in the majors (hands 2,3 and 4)?
3N works out better than 4M approx. 25 percent of the time.
If you prefer answers based on relevant facts only, then 4H is better than 3N and 4S approx. 20 percent of the time. For example, 4H is better than 3N on all of these hands:
Q973.QJ654.T.KQ5
A654.KQT95.T9.J5
AQ97.KJ643.9.543
KQ65.KQT76.53.76
KQ74.Q8654.3.K84
But won't responder always bid on over 3N when he has concentration of values in the majors (hands 2,3 and 4)?
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y66, on Sep 7 2008, 12:48 PM, said:
But won't responder always bid on over 3N when he has concentration of values in the majors (hands 2,3 and 4)?
Why should he? I can't ever imagine going past 3N with any 4-5, unless I had bigger things in mind.
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Given partner is a passed hand I am going to guess partner passed with:
Kxxx...Kxxxx..Qx...Qx
but opens with:
KQxx...KQTxx..xx..xx
Kxxx...Kxxxx..Qx...Qx
but opens with:
KQxx...KQTxx..xx..xx
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Posted 2008-September-07, 17:33
If partner would understand 4♦ as natural, or even if he would treat it as choice of major-suit games, I would bid that. Since he is a passed hand, it is possible that he will not think I am making a slam try. But if there is some chance that he will not understand what I am doing, I will bid 4♠ and hope for the best.
It strikes me that facing a passed hand, it makes some sort of sense to jump to 3♦ over Stayman with this kind of hand (especially with 2-2 in the majors).
It strikes me that facing a passed hand, it makes some sort of sense to jump to 3♦ over Stayman with this kind of hand (especially with 2-2 in the majors).
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Posted 2008-September-07, 18:13
re: pclayton's comment that partner will never bid on over 3N. Got it. Thanks.
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