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Over precision diamond AKT9 AQ9xx AJx K

Poll: (1d!)-x-(p)-p-(2c) Your bid? (30 member(s) have cast votes)

(1d!)-x-(p)-p-(2c) Your bid?

  1. Pass (1 votes [3.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.33%

  2. x (6 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  3. 2d (2 votes [6.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

  4. 2h (6 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  5. 2nt (1 votes [3.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.33%

  6. 3cl (14 votes [46.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.67%

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#1 User is offline   Elianna 

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Posted 2008-September-06, 00:23

1d was 2+
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Posted 2008-September-06, 00:42

Your partner made a penalty pass of 1♦. I'd really need to know if, by agreement, your pass would now be forcing. In that case, I would pass. I want to hear more from partner before I decided what I'm going to do next.

If pass is not forcing (or I have had no discussions), I will bid 3♣. I want to force game first. I can follow over partner's likely 3♦ call with a 3♥ call, then a 4♦ call, etc.
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Posted 2008-September-06, 08:28

I don't think pass is forcing now. I will bid 2H.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-September-06, 09:36

Echognome, on Sep 5 2008, 10:42 PM, said:

Your partner made a penalty pass of 1♦. I'd really need to know if, by agreement, your pass would now be forcing. In that case, I would pass. I want to hear more from partner before I decided what I'm going to do next.

If pass is not forcing (or I have had no discussions), I will bid 3♣. I want to force game first. I can follow over partner's likely 3♦ call with a 3♥ call, then a 4♦ call, etc.

No discussions of whether pass was forcing.

I included pass for those who would like to gamble whether it is forcing or not.
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Posted 2008-September-06, 09:49

I see two votes for 2D. (!)

It seems clear to me that 2D is natural and does not show extra values.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-September-06, 11:10

I posted too late. Now I have to agree with han twice.
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Posted 2008-September-06, 15:28

2♥ seems descriptive, they probably escaped
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Posted 2008-September-09, 15:05

This is a difficult problem because it's not clear what certain calls mean in this auction. Is pass forcing or not? Is 2♦ natural or a cuebid? Is 2♥ a big hand or ELC? When I have discussed these things, these answers are usually pretty inconvenient for this hand.

The one bid that partner will get right for sure is 3♣, so I will bid that. I would imagine that partner will often follow up 3♦ if he has no 4-card major. I then have an easy 3♥ bid.

Later I will discuss what a 2♦ bid means here.
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Posted 2008-September-13, 05:38

IMO 3♣ = 10, 2♥ = 5, 6♦ = 4, 5♦ = 3, _P = 1.
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Posted 2008-September-13, 06:08

Hi,

3C, the alternative being 2H, but I think
I force to game.

Although I am not convinced, that the penalty
pass promised values (making pass nonforcing),
it may simply be, that partner looked at 5
diamonds and did not have any real alternative.

I will pass 3D from partner and raise 3H / 3S to
game.

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Posted 2008-September-13, 09:28

3C mainly because I'm not sure what's forcing and I will likely end up in 5D or 6D anyways.
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Posted 2008-September-13, 12:17

I bid 2H with my hand.

My partner held xx x QT98xx T98x. He passed 2H.

The other table got to a making 5D after a 1C opening.
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