[badderzboy]

Dealer N NV vs Vul

I had this little hand when my partner opened 1NT (12-14) in North

♠98642
♥6
♦J6
♣AK1094



What do u do?

(i) Transfer to Spades and if not super accepted then pass?
(ii) Transfer to Clubs via 2♠ then pass
(iii) Transfer to Spades then bid something else? ( should be slam pursuing?)
(iv) Stayman and if partner bids ♠ then jump to 4♠?
(v) Pass

I was completely stumped so passed but the hand has great shape?

Thanks for advice

Steve

[Flame]

I would transfer and pass.
Try to avoid passing when you dont know what to do, this happend to many new players and its a bad abit.
Two more options that you didnt mention here is to bid 2h and then 2nt, which is invitational, or bid 2h and then 3sp which is also inv but with 6 card spade. both options are to consider but i would go with the pass over 2sp.

[helium]

trancfer and bid 3 !S:)

[inquiry]

I would treat that five card ♠ as a four card suit IF I had a way to use stayman and then, if no ♠ fit is found, sign off in 3♣.

If I lacked the ability to bid 2♣ followed by a get out of the auction in 3♣, it is a guess. If you partner has two ♠, you ae better off in 1NT. If he has four spaes, you could belong in 4♠. So vulnerability and state of the game issues come into play. At MP, I probably would pass, planning on negative double when (or if) they compete in ♥, after all they have at least an 8 card ♥ fit, and about half the deck in hcp, and at matchpoints they will not like to let you play in 1NT. This fact (that they have ♥), is another reason to give long and hard thought at matchpoint against bidding 2♥ as transfer... a double may get them to 3♥. AT imps, especially vul, this hand is WAY too offensive to risk a pass. True you have a max of 22 hcp, but look at this hand. If your partner (as you note) has 4♠ and fair values, you may well take a lot of tricks (see ZAR points noted below). So there, you can not afford to pass, you simply have to make a stab in case you have game. Again, I would prefer stayman, if I had a way out in 3♣'s, but if not, bid 2♥, and take your chances in the hopes of hearing a super accept (at imps, never consider just signing off directly in 3♣, you surely have to investigate game).

Ben

BTW, for ZAR point counters... this is very quickly appoaching and opening hand, and if you partner has 4♠ opening hand, this hand gets three more quick ZAR fit points, making bidding game clear cut by his method in that case.

[Free]

Transfer and pass. I know it's the wrong contract, but that's what I'd do...

[paulg]

Transfer to Spades and if not super accepted then pass seems the normal action. This at least gives you the chance of bidding game.

For the record, in SAYC Ben's 3♣ bid after Stayman is game forcing so will be unavailable to most in the BIL, although clearly useful in this case.

Not that I'd recommend this to the BIL, but in my regular partnership we also break transfers with 3-card support if we have good controls (aces), which is a useful agreement at IMPs where bidding thin games is rewarded.

Paul

[inquiry]

cardsharp, on Apr 7 2004, 12:44 PM, said:

Transfer to Spades and if not super accepted then pass seems the normal action. This at least gives you the chance of bidding game.

For the record, in SAYC Ben's 3♣ bid after Stayman is game forcing so will be unavailable to most in the BIL, although clearly useful in this case.

Not that I'd recommend this to the BIL, but in my regular partnership we also break transfers with 3-card support if we have good controls (aces), which is a useful agreement at IMPs where bidding thin games is rewarded.

Paul

You are correct, that a normal 3♣ response after stayman IS forcing. There are other treatments... for example,

1NT - 2♣
2♦ - 2♠

That people use differently. Espeically with weak notrump, I play a 2♥ rebid here as 5/4 either way in the major (in other words, I could have 5♠ and 4♥. This frees 2♠ up as either game force or weak signal, so 2♠ could say I have a weak hand and wish to sign off in a minor, or you could play immediate rebid of minor as signoff, and use 2♠ as the good hand without saying how many ♠.

The reason I made the comment about using 2♣ as stayman is that IF I had a specialized mechanism to get out in 3 or a minor after stayman, I would go stayman, otherwise, as I said above, I would transfer into the anemic suit.

Ben

[mishovnbg]

inquiry, on Apr 7 2004, 10:00 PM, said:

cardsharp, on Apr 7 2004, 12:44 PM, said:

Transfer to Spades and if not super accepted then pass seems the normal action. This at least gives you the chance of bidding game.

For the record, in SAYC Ben's 3♣ bid after Stayman is game forcing so will be unavailable to most in the BIL, although clearly useful in this case.

Not that I'd recommend this to the BIL, but in my regular partnership we also break transfers with 3-card support if we have good controls (aces), which is a useful agreement at IMPs where bidding thin games is rewarded.

Paul

You are correct, that a normal 3♣ response after stayman IS forcing. There are other treatments... for example,

1NT - 2♣
2♦ - 2♠

That people use differently. Espeically with weak notrump, I play a 2♥ rebid here as 5/4 either way in the major (in other words, I could have 5♠ and 4♥. This frees 2♠ up as either game force or weak signal, so 2♠ could say I have a weak hand and wish to sign off in a minor, or you could play immediate rebid of minor as signoff, and use 2♠ as the good hand without saying how many ♠.

The reason I made the comment about using 2♣ as stayman is that IF I had a specialized mechanism to get out in 3 or a minor after stayman, I would go stayman, otherwise, as I said above, I would transfer into the anemic suit.

Ben

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Hi Ben!

We didn't discussed this sequence, but imho is not forcing and show ♠+minor, like above example. If you have ♠+minor and GF you can bid minor at 3 level. If you have ♠+♥ and GF you can use smolen. What do you think about?

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Misho

[inquiry]

mishovnbg, on Apr 7 2004, 03:50 PM, said:

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Hi Ben!

We didn't discussed this sequence, but imho is not forcing and show ♠+minor, like above example. If you have ♠+minor and GF you can bid minor at 3 level. If you have ♠+♥ and GF you can use smolen. What do you think about?

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Misho

Yes my friend, if you play smolen, the 2♠ rebid on 1NT-2♣-2♦ is not needed as forcing. Smolen is always available for good hands.

There are two things so consider. If you want out at the two level, over 2♦ rebid 2♥. Partner picks his better major, end of story. So 2♠ has to be something else. I have played it as a way to get out in a minor, just like this hand. That is the simpliest, but it allows a "double" of 2♠ and might get them into the auction easily. The otherway is to reverse the meaning, play 2♠ as the better hand, and use immediate 3 minor as weak. I play both. Since you suggest 2♠ as way out (invite or less) in a minor, so be it. That is the way we will play. Do you play the same 2♠ over 2♥ response to stayman?

How do others use this 2♠ bid?

Ben

[1eyedjack]

I vote for transfer into Spades and pass if transfer accepted. I subscribe to the view that opener should routinely break with any opener with 4 card support. That will find most making 4S contracts.

[mishovnbg]

inquiry, on Apr 7 2004, 10:55 PM, said:

mishovnbg, on Apr 7 2004, 03:50 PM, said:

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Hi Ben!

We didn't discussed this sequence, but imho is not forcing and show ♠+minor, like above example. If you have ♠+minor and GF you can bid minor at 3 level. If you have ♠+♥ and GF you can use smolen. What do you think about?

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Misho

Yes my friend, if you play smolen, the 2♠ rebid on 1NT-2♣-2♦ is not needed as forcing. Smolen is always available for good hands.

There are two things so consider. If you want out at the two level, over 2♦ rebid 2♥. Partner picks his better major, end of story. So 2♠ has to be something else. I have played it as a way to get out in a minor, just like this hand. That is the simpliest, but it allows a "double" of 2♠ and might get them into the auction easily. The otherway is to reverse the meaning, play 2♠ as the better hand, and use immediate 3 minor as weak. I play both. Since you suggest 2♠ as way out (invite or less) in a minor, so be it. That is the way we will play. Do you play the same 2♠ over 2♥ response to stayman?

How do others use this 2♠ bid?

Ben

Yes Ben, with GF hands you can rebid 3 of minor showing exactly that hand (♠+bidded minor), so 1NT-2♣, 2♥-2♠ is NF to inv with 4♠, can be bal too.

Misho

[luke warm]

with our escape system, we pass and opener xx's, 2C then shows clubs and spades... this assumes opener gets another bid... also, our nt opening is 11-13 so that might make a difference

oops, sorry... i reread the post... for some reason i thought the 1nt was x'd... if no x i'd bid 2s... this might get killed, but there ya go