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What is 4D (by Pard) anyway, same hand with a void, and exclusion RKC then (if you play exclusion)?
(Oh and there WAS a time where "xx" almost always implied NO FIT! Then Jordan and his buddy Flip and Rev came along and it's another fine mess, Ollie
fit for p and opps. now what?
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Posted 2008-August-22, 09:49
IF we all(?) take this 3D call by Pard to be a self-splinter with long clubs, do we infer it is exactly a singleton, since 4D was available?
What is 4D (by Pard) anyway, same hand with a void, and exclusion RKC then (if you play exclusion)?
(Oh and there WAS a time where "xx" almost always implied NO FIT! Then Jordan and his buddy Flip and Rev came along and it's another fine mess, Ollie
What is 4D (by Pard) anyway, same hand with a void, and exclusion RKC then (if you play exclusion)?
(Oh and there WAS a time where "xx" almost always implied NO FIT! Then Jordan and his buddy Flip and Rev came along and it's another fine mess, Ollie
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Posted 2008-August-22, 09:54
jkdood, on Aug 22 2008, 10:49 AM, said:
IF we all(?) take this 3D call by Pard to be a self-splinter with long clubs, do we infer it is exactly a singleton, since 4D was available?
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What is 4D (by Pard) anyway, same hand with a void,
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and exclusion RKC then (if you play exclusion)?
No
Is any of that really so hard?
Sorry I somewhat misunderstood I think, i was referring to 4♦ over 3NT. If partner ever bids 4♦ directly over 1♦, shoot him.
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Posted 2008-August-22, 09:59
OK from now on I "xx". I always liked Christmas anyway, although I tired of the coal though.
(LOL I wrote this after reading your simple neat answer, then came back and checked MY post and saw you had just added "Sorry, 4d...." etc etc...
...so Now I edit MY post and add, I dunno, maybe I'll think of something
(LOL I wrote this after reading your simple neat answer, then came back and checked MY post and saw you had just added "Sorry, 4d...." etc etc...
...so Now I edit MY post and add, I dunno, maybe I'll think of something
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Posted 2008-August-22, 10:57
jdonn, on Aug 22 2008, 04:54 PM, said:
Sorry I somewhat misunderstood I think, i was referring to 4♦ over 3NT. If partner ever bids 4♦ directly over 1♦, shoot him.
4♦ directly over 1♦ could reasonably be played as Exclusion (by agreement, of course).
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-August-22, 11:09
"Is any of that really so hard?"
I actually thought things were going along EASIER when other (serious players) suggested 3D was a stopper-ask (at least "for now") - then 3N was pretty clear-cut with AKxx.
But if partner can have KJx Kx x AQJxxxx for this self splinter, maybe 3n by me with a heart lead ain't so good, with 5C probably cold.
Hmmn.
I actually thought things were going along EASIER when other (serious players) suggested 3D was a stopper-ask (at least "for now") - then 3N was pretty clear-cut with AKxx.
But if partner can have KJx Kx x AQJxxxx for this self splinter, maybe 3n by me with a heart lead ain't so good, with 5C probably cold.
Hmmn.
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Posted 2008-August-22, 11:30
For those interested in the result, partner (me) had Axx Kx - AQJxxxxx. (I didn't cue 4♦ since I knew the ♦A would be a useful card for a discard.)
Did I overbid?
Slam is very good on the auction, and makes - opening leader is Morton forked at the opening lead! (He had both ♥A and ♠K.)
Did I overbid?
Slam is very good on the auction, and makes - opening leader is Morton forked at the opening lead! (He had both ♥A and ♠K.)
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Posted 2008-August-22, 11:39
Very welldone.
(I am assuming with all those controls A spds, Kx H, diamond void, and AQJ8th of c, that when partner cooperated for slam with 4D you knew "at least 6C" was right
(Hope you didn't bid 7 over 6 or sumfin)
(I am assuming with all those controls A spds, Kx H, diamond void, and AQJ8th of c, that when partner cooperated for slam with 4D you knew "at least 6C" was right
(Hope you didn't bid 7 over 6 or sumfin)
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Posted 2008-August-22, 11:51
jkdood, on Aug 22 2008, 12:39 PM, said:
Very welldone.
(I am assuming with all those controls A spds, Kx H, diamond void, and AQJ8th of c, that when partner cooperated for slam with 4D you knew "at least 6C" was right
(Hope you didn't bid 7 over 6 or sumfin)
(I am assuming with all those controls A spds, Kx H, diamond void, and AQJ8th of c, that when partner cooperated for slam with 4D you knew "at least 6C" was right
(Hope you didn't bid 7 over 6 or sumfin)
Wouldn't his partner still cuebid with QTxx T9 AQxx KT9 or whatever, same hand without diamond king? I sure would.
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