[matmat]

QT87
T9
AK32
KT9


third seat, unfav., XIMPS

1♣ - (X) - XX - (1♦)
3♦ - (P) - 3NT - (P)
4♣ - (P) - 4♦ - (P)
4♥ - (P) - ?

[jkdood]

I sure wish I had started with 1S iso xx... if pard has something like AKxx Axxx void AQJxx or such, seems like 7S makes but not 7C. But I really have a hard time thinking what 3D instead of 2D means for sure at this point. A freak? a void?

I love my hand and would like to suggest spades. even though it's catch-up for failure to bid 1S earlier. I am tempted to torture pard back, with a 5S call, just in case we belong in spades, and if he bids 6s, raise to 7, else support clubs.

[jdonn]

5♦, what else? Our hand is sick good so keep cuebidding accurately.

[jtfanclub]

jdonn, on Aug 20 2008, 10:26 AM, said:

5♦, what else? Our hand is sick good so keep cuebidding accurately.

God, I hate cue bidding sequences, so don't shoot me.

Isn't the next cue in this sequence 5♣?

[ArcLight]

jdonn, on Aug 20 2008, 10:26 AM, said:

5♦, what else? Our hand is sick good so keep cuebidding accurately.

Josh, Does 5♦ imply a spade control?
Or is it the case taht pard must have a great hand, since he is missing any Dime honors and teh Club K.

He has something like

S: ?? should have an honor to continue like this?
H A ...
D x
C: A Q J ...



My question is do you suggest bidding 5 Dimes because you know (suspect?) pard has a spade honor and slam will be safe.

This leads to the next question - will pard think you have a spade control, since you are commiting to slam and skipped spades?


I ask because I wonder if this may lead to a partnership misunderstanding (at least with me!) in some cases, and want to understand how to handle the auction.

[jdonn]

Think of what partner would need in clubs to pull 3NT, missing the KT9, when you could just have a singleton (and no ace of diamonds). I don't think partner is void in diamonds since he could bid 4♦ over 3NT, so I guess if he has Jx AK x AQJxxxxx I'll say sorry.

[cherdano]

jtfanclub, on Aug 20 2008, 09:44 AM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 20 2008, 10:26 AM, said:

5♦, what else? Our hand is sick good so keep cuebidding accurately.

God, I hate cue bidding sequences, so don't shoot me.

Isn't the next cue in this sequence 5♣?

Jt, if another post doesn't seem to make sense, how about just re-reading the thread very quickly to check whether you have missed s.th. obvious? It would already cut down your number of posts by about 20%.

[jtfanclub]

cherdano, on Aug 20 2008, 11:06 AM, said:

jtfanclub, on Aug 20 2008, 09:44 AM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 20 2008, 10:26 AM, said:

5♦, what else? Our hand is sick good so keep cuebidding accurately.

God, I hate cue bidding sequences, so don't shoot me.

Isn't the next cue in this sequence 5♣?

Jt, if another post doesn't seem to make sense, how about just re-reading the thread very quickly to check whether you have missed s.th. obvious? It would already cut down your number of posts by about 20%.

Well, I guess I'm still confused- often what's obvious to other people just isn't obvious to me.

4♣ starts a cue sequence. But does it establish NT as the 'suit' or clubs? Partner asked me for a diamond stop, so I assume this information was relevant to him. Partner had an immediate bid of 3♣ (or 4♣ if you don't have 3♣ as a slam try) to establish clubs as trump.

So I would think by going through 3♦, he's establishing the 'suit' as NT, so with nothing left to show I would bid 4NT and with the A or K of clubs I would now bid 5♣.

Or to put it another way, undoubtedly the most crucial card partner is missing is that king of clubs. How else do you tell him you have it?

[Echognome]

I think 4♣ attempted to establish clubs as trumps and 4♦ confirms it.

So to me the question is whether to make a last train try with 4NT or cooperate towards grand with a 5♦ cuebid. I think I'd bid 4NT, but I certainly understand 5♦.

[matmat]

jtfanclub, on Aug 20 2008, 11:58 AM, said:

4♣ starts a cue sequence. But does it establish NT as the 'suit' or clubs?

4♣ is actually Gerber.

[jdonn]

I think I had a nightmare like this once or twice.

[jtfanclub]

jdonn, on Aug 20 2008, 12:23 PM, said:

I think I had a nightmare like this once or twice.

Yeesh. If I challenge it's wrong, if I ask politely, it's wrong...obviously there must be some new cool secret handshakes that I missed while posting here for the last 5 years.

It seems to me the king of clubs has to be the card that partner would care about the most in my hand. Has the auction already shown it and I missed it, is there some way to show it now, or are you planning to show it later?

[jdonn]

If partner needs to know about the king of clubs, then over 5♦ he will bid 5NT, blackwood for kings. We will of course show specific kings up the line, and if we don't have any then we will sign off in our "suit" with 6NT. So there is no need to show our club king now. I hope that answers your question.

[kfay]

Since 4♦, I feel, agrees clubs can't 4NT be some sort of slam try here? I don't think there's anything that's happened in the auction that makes me say 'no, sorry, I just want to bid 4NT to play.'

I don't know, I guess it's an area for agreement but I'd really like to bid 4NT as a forward-going move. Barring that I guess I'll bid 5♦ with mild trepidation.

[jtfanclub]

jdonn, on Aug 20 2008, 12:33 PM, said:

If partner needs to know about the king of clubs, then over 5♦ he will bid 5NT, blackwood for kings. We will of course show specific kings up the line, and if we don't have any then we will sign off in our "suit" with 6NT. So there is no need to show our club king now. I hope that answers your question.

Mostly, thank you. Then what is the difference between 4NT and 5♣ on this auction (after 4♥)?

[cherdano]

3♦ is a splinter, not a stopper ask.

[jtfanclub]

Oh! Oh oh oh oh oh. I see. Sorry!

Huh. Now I'm going to have to ask my partners if they'd all see that as a Splinter.

[jdonn]

cherdano, on Aug 20 2008, 02:57 PM, said:

3♦ is a splinter, not a stopper ask.

A splinter in support of clubs or notrump? hehe

[cherdano]

I was wondering whether someone would bring up that partner didn't bid 4♦, exclusion keycard for NT.

[gwnn]

cuebid for NT?