[jdonn]

Kx JTxx AQx Q9xx

w/r 4th seat

P P 1♥ P
P 1♠ P 1NT
P 3♣ P ???

[655321]

??? indeed.

All I can come up with is a weakish 5-7.

My hand is very good for the auction - no wasted hearts, etc.

5♣ now.

[CSGibson]

655321, on Aug 18 2008, 10:50 PM, said:

??? indeed.

All I can come up with is a weakish 5-7.

wouldn't a weak 5-7 bid 2 hearts? And wouldn't a better 5-7 hand start bidding immediately?

I'm not saying you're wrong, because I can't think of anything remotely like this bidding. I'm passing 3 clubs, though, because I am confused and because 3 clubs ought to be playable no matter what partner has. (perhaps a black hand that doesn't want to stick around for the inevitable 2 red balance, maybe 4-6 with heavy honors in spades? Not sure)

[gwnn]

5-7? why not bid your longest suit somehow? pard is allowed to pass with a 6-5 if he thinks it's a good idea. I will bid 3♠. I don't think he can have a 5-5 and I don't think his clubs are longer.

[jdonn]

Wow what are all these shapes people are coming up with? It seemed obvious he was just a max 5-5 or longer and just a question of whether to proceed and if so how.

[655321]

I am only coming up with weird shapes because (for me) this auction is basically impossible.

I think any hands with 6 spades, and strength to rebid 3♣ would definitely open the bidding, so partner has only 5 spades. And if his shape is only 5-5, then any hand worth jumping to 3♣ is likely to be an opening bid for me at w/r.

So, all I could come up with was 5 spades and longer clubs, not strong enough to open.

But I don't think it matters - partner has the black suits, and our hand fits well with no wastage.

[jkdood]

If there really is such a thing as a choice of games cuebid, then 4H is for me now. (I do have 4th round controlled anyway)

[dburn]

Not familiar with the methods here - would 2♣ be checkback? If so, then partner may intend 3♣ as to play.

Edit: sorry - forget all that. Missed a pass. But still not familiar with the methods - what does Pass-Pass-1♥-Pass-Pass-2♥ mean?

[brianshark]

I assume pard is 5-5 or 6-5 and too light to open. I'm not sure why he didn't bid 2♥. Maybe one ♠s are longer or better. Maybe he forgot he could bid Michaels. I don't know and rather than try and guess his reasons, I'm just going to make a pragmatic jump to 5♣ which should have play.

[gnasher]

The one shape he can't be is 5-5, because he didn't balance with 2♥. I'd rule out 5-6, 5-7, etc for the same reason. 4-6 is also unlikely, because he would either have overcalled 2♣ or doubled, planning to convert diamonds to clubs.

My guess would be 6-5, with suits that didn't look right for a second-seat weak two. I bid 5♣.