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#1 User is offline   gnasher 

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Posted 2008-August-18, 03:03

Scoring: IMP

2♠   Pass Pass 2NT
Pass 3♣   Pass 3♦
Pass 3NT

2NT = 15-18
3♣ = Stayman
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Posted 2008-August-18, 04:40

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Posted 2008-August-18, 04:58

4th highest ♠ (or whatever your systemic lead is).
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Posted 2008-August-18, 05:34

Low spade. If a spade lead is right and you don't lead it, you look like a fool.

Both club and heart may be reasonable alternatives.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 06:37

Hi,

I guess, I go with a spades, unless I am trying
something funny, usually I regret doing funny
things.

The alternative is clubs, although this needs
precisly the Ace of clubs with partner, and he
should also have a least 3 clubs..

I dont think heart is an real option, it looks
like, that partner has similar strength, i.e.
there is no reason to expect, that he holds
good hearts and out side entry.

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Posted 2008-August-18, 07:19

Small club. I don't like our chances with a spade lead. No honors, no sure entries, ...
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Posted 2008-August-18, 08:49

gwnn, on Aug 18 2008, 08:19 AM, said:

Small club. I don't like our chances with a spade lead. No honors, no sure entries, ...

I thought you would lead the jack Csaba.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 09:09

gwnn, on Aug 18 2008, 01:19 PM, said:

Small club. I don't like our chances with a spade lead. No honors, no sure entries, ...

Your ♠A and your ♣K look like 2 reasonably likely entries?
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Posted 2008-August-18, 10:25

brianshark, on Aug 18 2008, 10:09 AM, said:

gwnn, on Aug 18 2008, 01:19 PM, said:

Small club. I don't like our chances with a spade lead. No honors, no sure entries, ...

Your ♠A and your ♣K look like 2 reasonably likely entries?

they might combine to be a single entry. It's not unlikely that p has a stiff spade on the auction, and the club ace might very well be over you.

I am somewhat tempted to lead p's suit here.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 11:46

han, on Aug 18 2008, 04:49 PM, said:

gwnn, on Aug 18 2008, 08:19 AM, said:

Small club. I don't like our chances with a spade lead. No honors, no sure entries, ...

I thought you would lead the jack Csaba.

I was wondering whether you or Justin would say this.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 12:05

Low spade.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 14:43

It seems like the options are clubs and diamonds. I would not lead a heart, it might be right but with LHO showing 4 hearts it is just too likely to pickle pard.

A diamond is more passive, and if the opps are bidding some light game is more likely to be right than a club (but then spades is most likely to be right, even though I think that is a hopeless lead because it's only advantage is passivity). Clubs is more likely to set up our tricks before they set up theirs. As usual I prefer this route, trying for 3C+1S+1red trick or 4 clubs+1 spade, or 5C immediately.
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Posted 2008-August-20, 02:07

This was the full hand:
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I held the East hand and made a rather strange-looking decision to pass out 2♠. On the actual deal, this the wrong thing to do if I was going to get a spade lead against 3NT, but probably right otherwise.

This inaction didn't receive much sympathy from my teammates, so I was hoping that the BBO panel would provide a solid vote for a club lead. Oh well.

[Edit: corrected the transposition of "right" and "wrong".]

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2008-August-20, 02:51

... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-August-20, 02:49

Get new teammates, that is a really obvious pass of 2S with your hand and it is not close lol. I can't believe you think it's strange.
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Posted 2008-August-20, 10:48

I had my answer in mind and was wondering why no one mentioned till I read Justin's post.

Seems that a club will rate to be better here though.
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Posted 2008-August-20, 10:50

gnasher, on Aug 20 2008, 04:07 PM, said:

This was the full hand:
I held the East hand and made a rather strange-looking decision to pass out 2♠.  On the actual deal, this the wrong thing to do if I was going to get a spade lead against 3NT, but probably right otherwise.

This inaction didn't receive much sympathy from my teammates, so I was hoping that the BBO panel would provide a solid vote for a club lead.  Oh well.

[Edit: corrected the transposition of "right" and "wrong".]

Far too often have I been the victim of giving declarer a trick by leading my own suit, and I have been on the other side of it many times as well.

Edit: You have my sympathies.
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Posted 2008-August-20, 11:26

I have to confess I would have led a diamond. At least I'll get a second chance!
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Posted 2008-August-20, 11:34

I think the club lead is a standout (and did before I saw the entire hand). Declarer heard you bid spades, and the suit has no meat. You need help from partner...club lead seems to wish for the least - the QC, a trick in partner's hand, and a favorable position for the 10C, which seems percentage.
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