[Lobowolf]

Teams, NV v. NV. Unopposed bidding as follows:

1♣ - 1♥;
1♠ - 4♣

[pclayton]

Splinter but putting Gerber on the menu is always tempting.

[jdonn]

Old discussion. Sorry Mr. Hog, it's still a splinter for spades.

[Echognome]

I vote splinter as well.

[the hog]

jdonn, on Aug 19 2008, 10:05 AM, said:

Old discussion. Sorry Mr. Hog, it's still a splinter for spades.

He he. Still disagree vehemently. Was that a pre emptive comment Josh?)

[jdonn]

The_Hog, on Aug 18 2008, 11:53 PM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 19 2008, 10:05 AM, said:

Old discussion. Sorry Mr. Hog, it's still a splinter for spades.

He he. Still disagree vehemently. Was that a pre emptive comment Josh?)

Yes, but make sure you vote! You are losing 10-1

[655321]

jdonn, on Aug 18 2008, 10:05 PM, said:

Old discussion. Sorry Mr. Hog, it's still a splinter for spades.

Found it

[jdonn]

I can't believe I let him get the last word in lol. It seems like that was much more recent too, can't believe it was a year and a half ago.

[brianshark]

If the 1♠ rebid promises an unbalanced hand (ie. 5+♣s or 4-4-4-1 or something) then does that change the meaning of 4♣?

[gnasher]

brianshark, on Aug 19 2008, 09:59 AM, said:

If the 1♠ rebid promises an unbalanced hand (ie. 5+♣s or 4-4-4-1 or something) then does that change the meaning of 4♣?

It makes it more likely that responder will want to support clubs, and less likely that a singleton club will be good news to opener, so there is more reason to play it as natural. Against that, a splinter will help you to stay out of bad slams.

I still prefer to play it as splinter, but in one partnership I play it as natural.

[david_c]

I would prefer to play it as a splinter, but I'm very surprised that people think it is standard. Unless discussed, I would always assume it was not possible to splinter in partner's suit.

[y66]

In The Bidding Dictionary (1996), which is based on modern North American methods of that time, Alan Truscott defines a splinter as:

"A jump to a meaningless level, usually the four-level, to show a fit with partner, slam interest, and at most one card in the suit bid. A jump in a suit already bid by the partnership (1C 1H : 1S 4C) is less clear in Europe and may need agreement."

[dake50]

Distinguish 2C, 3C, 4SF then 3C, 4SF then 4C from immediate 4C. Incidentally also 2S raise GF then 4C, 3S then 4C. What is left for a space consuming immediate 4C?
I like Gerber 4C. Splinter forces to explore short Club asset/duplication.

[SoTired]

At first glance, 1C 1H 1S 4C is a strong club raise. But the argument, "Why not go thru 4th suit" is too strong, so it must be a splinter.

HOWEVER, I don't think I would spring this on an unsuspecting partner.

[andy_h]

Splinter. Other GF hands bids 2D.

[skjaeran]

Obvious splinter (void) for me. I'd be surprised if anyone I'd sit down to play with would take it as natural - unless with a beginner.

[RichMor]

Two simple questions:
1. If I can jump to 4♣ to show 4=4=4=1 can I also jump to 4♠ to show 1=4=4=4 ? The same logic(?) should apply.

2. What is the downside of treating all jumps to 4 of pard's minor as RKC?

[neilkaz]

andy_h, on Aug 19 2008, 09:44 AM, said:

Splinter. Other GF hands bids 2D.

Same for me.

[Lobowolf]

RichMor, on Aug 20 2008, 12:45 PM, said:

Two simple questions:


2. What is the downside of treating all jumps to 4 of pard's minor as RKC?

The unnecessary loss of an available splinter.