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I'll simplify. I didn't bid game, Justin thinks I'm nuts, I think partner underbid like my grandma (AQ9xx xxxx Ax Ax), Justin thinks lots of example hands make game, I think pretty much any example hand that makes game was worth a game bid over 2♥. I did win the gentleman's bet though, he thought 100% would bid game hehe.
There weren't really example hands put forward for partner shown in this thread, anyone? I could hardly find any that were not decent games opposite, say, xx Axxxxx xx xxx, meaning (to me) that they were game bids over 2♥ (such as AQxxx Kxx xx AQx, how could this not bid game over 2♥, think of what partner is showing! Say opposite xx ATxxxx xxx xx (the opponents can't really have 9 diamonds.))
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Posted 2008-August-19, 12:24
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Posted 2008-August-19, 12:36
jdonn, on Aug 19 2008, 12:24 PM, said:
There weren't really example hands put forward for partner shown in this thread, anyone? I could hardly find any that were not decent games opposite, say, xx Axxxxx xx xxx, meaning (to me) that they were game bids over 2♥ (such as AQxxx Kxx xx AQx, how could this not bid game over 2♥, think of what partner is showing! Say opposite xx ATxxxx xxx xx (the opponents can't really have 9 diamonds.))
Heh. I was going to post that this hand, AQxxx Kxx xx AQx, looks rather minimum for 3♥
. Would you really be surprised to go down one in 3♥ opposite x QJ9xxx xxx xxx?Anyway, I leave the "game is good except there may well be a 4-1 break" reasoning to the best bidder in the world (and of course notorious underbidders), as LHO could be 2254 or 1255 etc.
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Posted 2008-August-19, 12:39
cherdano, on Aug 19 2008, 01:36 PM, said:
jdonn, on Aug 19 2008, 12:24 PM, said:
There weren't really example hands put forward for partner shown in this thread, anyone? I could hardly find any that were not decent games opposite, say, xx Axxxxx xx xxx, meaning (to me) that they were game bids over 2♥ (such as AQxxx Kxx xx AQx, how could this not bid game over 2♥, think of what partner is showing! Say opposite xx ATxxxx xxx xx (the opponents can't really have 9 diamonds.))
Heh. I was going to post that this hand, AQxxx Kxx xx AQx, looks rather minimum for 3♥
. Would you really be surprised to go down one in 3♥ opposite x QJ9xxx xxx xxx?Anyway, I leave the "game is good except there may well be a 4-1 break" reasoning to the best bidder in the world (and of course notorious underbidders), as LHO could be 2254 or 1255 etc.
Well are we so sure QJxxxx and out (or even my example?) should be balancing?
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I don't know whether it should, but I know I would
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Posted 2008-August-19, 16:12
jdonn, on Aug 18 2008, 10:41 AM, said:
kenrexford, on Aug 18 2008, 07:27 AM, said:
Game. Not close. OK with previous bidding.
Partner's lack of any other call as a game try convinces me.
Partner's lack of any other call as a game try convinces me.
I just know I'm going to regret this...but what do you mean by this comment?
If partner had bid anything but pass or 2♠ over 2♥, it is a game try in hearts. Has to be. Thus, 2NT, 3♣, 3♦, and 3♥ are all GT raises.
I would expect minor calls by partner to be shortness bids.
I would also expect 2NT, because it allows me to bid a minor at the three-level on route to 3♥, to express interest of some variety in some three-level call. Whether that call should be a shortness call or a feature, I'm not sure. However, I have neither.
Because partner picked 3♥, a bid that deprives me of the ability to make a three-level responsive game try back, he must be interested in game without any interest in hearing any sort of minor call. As I have no ability to make a minor call, I have no wasted value outside.
Hence, I think my hand fits well with how partner has elected to invite.
[EDIT: Just saw that jtfanclub answered for me very well.]
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Posted 2008-August-20, 19:58
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I'll simplify. I didn't bid game, Justin thinks I'm nuts, I think partner underbid like my grandma (AQ9xx xxxx Ax Ax),
2H instead of X is a weak bid. 2H can show crap. No expert will sell out at 2C with Qxxxxx in H.
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Posted 2008-August-20, 20:43
cherdano, on Aug 19 2008, 10:36 AM, said:
jdonn, on Aug 19 2008, 12:24 PM, said:
There weren't really example hands put forward for partner shown in this thread, anyone? I could hardly find any that were not decent games opposite, say, xx Axxxxx xx xxx, meaning (to me) that they were game bids over 2♥ (such as AQxxx Kxx xx AQx, how could this not bid game over 2♥, think of what partner is showing! Say opposite xx ATxxxx xxx xx (the opponents can't really have 9 diamonds.))
Heh. I was going to post that this hand, AQxxx Kxx xx AQx, looks rather minimum for 3♥ (snip)
As I said before, I rather doubt pard passes 2♣ with a hand like this. I think the 5422 OP is a double as well.
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pclayton, on Aug 20 2008, 09:43 PM, said:
cherdano, on Aug 19 2008, 10:36 AM, said:
jdonn, on Aug 19 2008, 12:24 PM, said:
There weren't really example hands put forward for partner shown in this thread, anyone? I could hardly find any that were not decent games opposite, say, xx Axxxxx xx xxx, meaning (to me) that they were game bids over 2♥ (such as AQxxx Kxx xx AQx, how could this not bid game over 2♥, think of what partner is showing! Say opposite xx ATxxxx xxx xx (the opponents can't really have 9 diamonds.))
Heh. I was going to post that this hand, AQxxx Kxx xx AQx, looks rather minimum for 3♥ (snip)
As I said before, I rather doubt pard passes 2♣ with a hand like this. I think the 5422 OP is a double as well.
What is partner supposed to bid over 2C with 5323? That is an obvious pass because...well...there is no bid and no reason to bid. Even with most 5422s there is a huge risk that there is a trap pass behind you, and you are generally outgunned when partner can't bid over your 1S, and when you are not partner can balance anyways. It is a really dangerous spot to come in.