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#1 User is offline   grrigg 

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Posted 2008-August-05, 04:03

Scoring: MP


The bidding was:

West   North   East   South
pass   pass    pass   1D
1H       X        1S        pass
pass    3D     pass    3NT

3NT was down 3 for -150 and a bad board. Who is to blame? Which bid(s) do you find bad?
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Posted 2008-August-05, 05:52

I don't like North dbl with 5 card -support, void and 4.
I would expect dbl to be neg. with 's and 's. I guess so did South.
North now finds a 3 reopening. I would read that as 3 card support, 4 good and shortage. North must be maximum for a passed hand (11 HCP) and there is a good chance that the minors produce up to 8 tricks and there are stopper in and . So 3 NT seems to be a reasonable contract from South's point of view.

I blame North for misdescribing his hand in shape and strength.
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Posted 2008-August-05, 06:08

I'd have bid the same way I think.
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Posted 2008-August-05, 06:22

3!D too aggresive for MP. i think 2!D is enough.
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Posted 2008-August-05, 07:17

The only questionable call is 3NT.

You have to show the 4 card spade suit, either
via a neg. X or 1S, what ever the agreement.

The Pass by Sout over 1S is fine as well, and
North does not want to sell out to 1S, and is
certainly worth a inv. call, although the inv. raise
is shape based.

And because it is quite likely that the inv. raise
is shape based, and because north is a passed hand.,
you may or may not make the 3NT bid.
At least at MP pass over 3D is certainly an option.

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Posted 2008-August-05, 11:58

I think north should pull to 4, but maybe I'm just being double dummy, hard to be fair knowing both hands. Certainly he can see this sort of thing is a real possibility.
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Posted 2008-August-05, 12:25

vang, on Aug 5 2008, 08:22 AM, said:

3!D too aggresive for MP. i think 2!D is enough.

Agree, but I would bid 3 to show an aggressive invitation if that was an available option. I wonder what 2 should mean here by a PH.
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Posted 2008-August-05, 12:29

hotShot, on Aug 5 2008, 05:52 AM, said:

I don't like North dbl with 5 card -support, void and 4.
I would expect dbl to be neg. with 's and 's. I guess so did South.
North now finds a 3 reopening. I would read that as 3 card support, 4 good and shortage. North must be maximum for a passed hand (11 HCP) and there is a good chance that the minors produce up to 8 tricks and there are stopper in and . So 3 NT seems to be a reasonable contract from South's point of view.

I blame North for misdescribing his hand in shape and strength.

Double just shows 4 spades (at least in NA expert standard). Better to think of it as a transfer than a takeout double.
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Posted 2008-August-05, 13:06

Josh, I don't think that it is right to pull from 3NT when all your highcards are in the two suits the opponents bid.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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