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Defence = counting + clear thinking 3NT

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Posted 2008-August-02, 12:39

In a rubber bridge game, you are East and hold QTxxx, KT9xxx, Jx, x

No one is vul.

South is dealer and opens 1NT. Bidding proceeds:

1NT - P - 2C - P
2D - P - 3NT - All Pass

(
2C - Stayman, asking for 4 card major
2D - No 4 card major.
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Partner leads the T and you see

Scoring: Rubber

Lead 10.


Declarer wins the A in dummy, leads a to A (pard plays low showing an odd number) and then to 9. You win the J.

Now what?

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Posted 2008-August-02, 22:10

Partner has:
- at most 8 points
- at most 2 hearts
- at least 4 spades
- exactly 3 diamonds
- likely, the king of clubs (if declarer has KQxx in his hand, then A on the opening lead is correct, but then I think 3NT is likely cold...)

Declarer has 3 diamonds, and has his entry so that he can run them.

Declarer's diamond play is really kind of inconsistent with him having the Queen. With AQx opposite KT9xx, I would expect A, Q, then the finesse for the J is still open if diamonds don't split. Let's guess that partner started with Qxx in diamonds, then.

That would mean that partner does not have an ace (KC,+QD+A? = 9 points, leaving declarer with 14)

Ergo, the best I can hope for from partner in hearts is the QJ doubleton. If I return the T all declarer has to do is hold up once with his Ax and, well, I'll need to win a space trick someday to ever run my hearts.

I think my best bet is to return a (4th best?) spade now. Hopefully, declarer will need to establish tricks in both hearts and clubs, giving us time to force out the AK of spades.

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Posted 2008-August-03, 12:11

So you are playing declarer for something like

AJx
Axx
Axx
Qxxx


A spade return won't help in that case I think. Also, why didn't declarer run the club to his Q?
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Posted 2008-August-03, 14:01

That holding isn't possible. The 4 missing hearts are AQJx.

Declarer needs clubs and diamonds to make 3NT, so no real clear idea why he would chose clubs before diamonds, or vice versa.

If declarer is:
Axx
AJ
Axx
Qxxxx

Maybe partner will get in twice in clubs. That will be enough to open up the spades.

There's a lot to be read into what's going on here, but nothing is screaming to me "one clear path".

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Posted 2008-August-03, 14:05

With Kxx(x) or Qxx(x) in clubs, I think declarer would play low or finesse the J at trick 1. If partner had all the honors, the normal lead for KQT9(x) is the Q. I think declarer likely has KQxx(x) in clubs. Rising A opposite an insecure club stop seems really weird unless he's got his top tricks, which the diamond play clearly indicates is not the case.

Edit: my guess:
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Posted 2008-August-03, 15:09

Ok, thinking about it some more, if partner has the K, then the ace on the first round does seem wrong. Might as well take the "finesse", by ducking to the queen. Ditto for partner having the queen.

So the good news is partner can have an major suit ace. Of course, either ace could help a great deal.

If partner has the ace of spades but not the jack, partner has to duck the first round of spades, then go ace small when he gets back in in clubs. When, or if.

If partner has the ace of hearts single, there's nothing we can do but cry. If partner has Ax of hearts, a heart return sets the contract outright.

Since I need ace plus something either way, this seems awfully close. Partner has 4 or 5 spades, so 3 or 4 slots of the jack under the ace. Partner has 1 or 2 hearts, but if 2 hearts I don't care what is lower heart is.

I think the odds slightly favour spades, but I'm not sure.
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Posted 2008-August-03, 15:13

OK, this is how I see it.

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P.S. Later edit
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Posted 2008-August-04, 09:23

I disagree.
The most likely holding of partner is

4-1-3-5.


He chose to lead clubs, instead of spades. If equal length, spades makes more sense.
the duck in diamonds, indicates partner has 3.

So I am going to return a spade.
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Posted 2008-August-04, 09:45

Um. Isn't that what I said.

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