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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2008-August-04, 00:09

If you make a winning finesse and more than one card remain in opps hand, always go back and take the finesse again.

A painful lesson at the club today;
I held trump AQxxx opposite xxxx and so I played low to AQ, LHO popped up with the J, I covered with Q which held. The contract is cold now.
However, instead of returning to my hand and playing low again I got lazy and played the Ace off the table.
RHO showed out, LHO played x under my A for –1.

LHO held KJx and cunningly went up with the J allowing me to fall straight into the trap.
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Posted 2008-August-04, 00:23

so you had the 10 somewhere?
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Posted 2008-August-04, 00:30

I guess she had the T somewhere.

LHO is a good psychological player.
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Posted 2008-August-04, 00:32

Uh, if LHO had played low the first time I assume you would have just played the queen. So west is a good psychological grosvenorer?
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Posted 2008-August-04, 00:36

jdonn, on Aug 3 2008, 11:32 PM, said:

Uh, if LHO had played low the first time I assume you would have just played the queen. So west is a good psychological grosvenorer?

Agree. 9 cards = finesse the Q.
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Posted 2008-August-04, 00:37

Yeah, I had the 10 somewhere.
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Posted 2008-August-04, 00:46

Actually, AQT9x opposite xxxx is an interesting combo ...

The "max tricks" line is not the "MP best" line unless not enough entries to pick up the 4-0 or if you think opp with void would always bid.
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Posted 2008-August-04, 06:17

I actually played a heand recently where I finessed both ways intentionally.

I cannot remember the layout, but the gist was that I suspected a random Queen duck by my LHO. I had something like KJx in hand and A10xx on dummy. After winning the Jack, and then the King, I later played small toward dummy. At that point, for some reason, I must have had a count and decided to hook the 10, winning.
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Posted 2008-August-04, 06:52

Wasn't there a famous Zia hand where he was defending and when declarer finessed the Queen he falsecarded and played the J from Jx thus making declarer thinking the trump suit was Kxx --- J and thus was persuaded to waste a valuable entry to 'finesse' again.
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Posted 2008-August-04, 07:50

andy_h, on Aug 4 2008, 07:52 AM, said:

Wasn't there a famous Zia hand where he was defending and when declarer finessed the Queen he falsecarded and played the J from Jx thus making declarer thinking the trump suit was Kxx --- J and thus was persuaded to waste a valuable entry to 'finesse' again.

Not sure if I know that exact hand but that is a common play, good one to know.
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