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3D*-----(X)------pass-------(5C)
X
3D show a good preempt.
What does the double mean ?
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X after a preempt not lightner for sure
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Posted 2008-July-28, 15:47
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2008-July-28, 15:50
That you don't want partner to sac in 5♦. 
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Posted 2008-July-28, 15:58
Penalty is probably the best meaning for this near-impossible bid.
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Posted 2008-July-28, 16:21
I've heard of this "incredible double" convention thingie which I think is not entirely good. It means "look pard my preempt is entirely sound, I only have a nice (6)7 card diamond suit. I have no defense". So now allegedly pard can pass with defense and sac without. It is something this dude showed me, who preempts on all sorts of junk and classical hands also. He didn't convince me but you asked for a possible meaning so there.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2008-July-28, 17:24
X= I want to save. If you decided to open 3D with like 5S and 7D planning to bid spades next to show that hand type they have preempted that now but you can double to show it without bidding in front of partner. I would go so far as to say this is expert standard.
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Posted 2008-July-29, 07:24
I use to play doubles by a 4M opener as "I got extras". A 3m opener is another story, though.
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Posted 2008-July-29, 08:45
Jlall, on Jul 28 2008, 06:24 PM, said:
X= I want to save. If you decided to open 3D with like 5S and 7D planning to bid spades next to show that hand type they have preempted that now but you can double to show it without bidding in front of partner. I would go so far as to say this is expert standard.
I play something like this with my regular partner. Though I can see why it would apply here I don't think we've discussed it. The situation we HAVE discussed it is when partner raises my preempt and pushes them into game. Then the preemptor doubles to day 'I want to sac, did you push them into game because you can set them?'
I'm not totally convinced it should apply here since my partner might have squadoosh and now we're screwed either way. Actually probably at IMPs, but certainly not at MPs.
Kevin Fay
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Posted 2008-July-29, 09:32
benlessard, on Jul 28 2008, 04:47 PM, said:
W vs Red imps
3D*-----(X)------pass-------(5C)
X
3D show a good preempt.
What does the double mean ?
3D*-----(X)------pass-------(5C)
X
3D show a good preempt.
What does the double mean ?
I'm an idiot?
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
So many experts, not enough X cards.
So many experts, not enough X cards.
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Posted 2008-July-29, 13:49
The only time I've ever done something like this, I had a balanced 18-count.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-July-29, 15:00
gnasher, on Jul 29 2008, 02:49 PM, said:
The only time I've ever done something like this, I had a balanced 18-count.
and the opponents were never expecting this after your 3♦ opening! But now with the X, you got 'em.
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Posted 2008-July-29, 16:54
I forgot an important fact. We were playing namyats. So 4D as a D preempt isnt available.
Imo penalty doesnt make any sense here.
Expert standard for is to say i want to save but X just in case you want to defend . (at least after a game preempt)
Here its possible to have a borderline preempt between 5D and 3D. Wich you decided to open 3D to keep 3Nt in the picture.
Kxx
xx
KQJTxxxx
void.
As a general rule preempting "twice" is a bad strategy but exceptions do happen.
Imo penalty doesnt make any sense here.
Expert standard for is to say i want to save but X just in case you want to defend . (at least after a game preempt)
Here its possible to have a borderline preempt between 5D and 3D. Wich you decided to open 3D to keep 3Nt in the picture.
Kxx
xx
KQJTxxxx
void.
As a general rule preempting "twice" is a bad strategy but exceptions do happen.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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