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#1 User is offline   Stephen Tu 

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Posted 2008-July-25, 00:55

2/1, IMPs, vulnerable

♠QJ♥x♦K9xxx♣AJT9x

Partner opens the bidding:
1♠ p 1nt p
2♦ 2♥ ???

What's your call, and what's your plan?

If you bid 3h, partner bids 3nt.
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Posted 2008-July-25, 00:59

3♥, then 4♦. If partner makes noise over this I'll just check on keys. If partner bids 5♦ I will respect his signoff.
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Posted 2008-July-25, 01:08

Stephen Tu, on Jul 25 2008, 06:55 PM, said:

2/1, IMPs, vulnerable

♠QJ♥x♦K9xxx♣AJT9x

Partner opens the bidding:
1♠ p 1nt p
2♦ 2♥ ???

What's your call, and what's your plan?

If you bid either 3c or 3h, partner bids 3nt.

Why would you bid 3♣ with diamond support?
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Posted 2008-July-25, 01:10

rogerclee, on Jul 25 2008, 06:59 AM, said:

3♥, then 4♦. If partner makes noise over this I'll just check on keys. If partner bids 5♦ I will respect his signoff.

These are pretty much my thoughts too.

I would have bid 2♦ on the previous round though. Are we seriously ever stopping short of game vulnerable at IMPS?
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Posted 2008-July-25, 01:36

Forget the 3c option, I forgot that you started w/ 1nt and can't really bid that.
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Posted 2008-July-25, 03:04

I am definitely not stopping short of game.
Did 2D promise 4+ diamonds?
If not, I will bid 3H then over partner's 3NT I will kick with a further 4C.
If yes, I will bid 4H over 2H.
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Posted 2008-July-25, 03:42

Assuming that 1NT denied a game force (which wasn't stated), 3H should promise diamond support anyway - how else can we suddenly have found a game force that didn't exist before.

I bid 3H over 2H, then 4S over 3NT.
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Posted 2008-July-25, 03:49

systemically 1nt denied an unbalanced GF but could include 12+-15- balanced.

2d promised 4d unless exactly 5332.
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Posted 2008-July-25, 05:19

Would 4C be FJS ?

Also i usually have a bid that show 2S and a huge D fit (4S).

With a limit i just bid 3S and with limit that got upgrade with the 2D call (GF) i just bid 3H or 4H
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Posted 2008-July-25, 08:56

4H. Splinter agreeing diamonds.

You have already denied more than 2 spades, and when you show 1 heart, partner can work out that you must have a club suit.
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
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Posted 2008-July-25, 09:19

We need to know partner's rebid over 1N with 5=3=3=2. Many (including me) would rebid 2♣, hence our 2♦ shows 4+.

In that case, I like my hand so much that I am going to splinter: 4♥.

I don't mind 3♥, but I'm going to game anyway and 4♥ tells partner a great deal about my hand: not 3 spades, stiff or void heart, 5+ diamonds and a lot of working honours for my 1N call.
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Posted 2008-July-25, 09:25

4♥. Unambiguously shows great diamonds, short hearts, and a good hand.
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Posted 2008-July-25, 12:14

OK, so the problems are the following:

- we are not rebidding 2c on 5=3=3=2, we are bidding 2d. There are merits/demerits to both styles I know but we are playing the more common way.
- 1nt didn't deny 3s, as you can hold a 3 card limit raise in most 2/1 styles. Luckily 3s/4s on the 2nd turn can unambiguously handle these hands so this isn't a problem.

Partner turns up with KT9xx KQx AQT xx. 5d has no play, losing 1 trick in each non-trump suit. 3nt has no play either. 4s is cold as diamonds split.

Frances' auction seems to work out best. For those bidding 3h-3nt-4d, or other sequences, who is supposed to bid spades again, and when? Or are you also missing 4s?
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Posted 2008-July-28, 07:53

With the T9 of S and only 3D i think playing in 4S is pretty clear. Partner as so many bid available that 1 one them show Hx in spades and a D fit. In a standard partnership i would assume

4S i had a limit but ive upgrade my hand because of the 2D bid.
4H splinter d fit
3S limit raise
3H good hand unclear direction.


However i prefer that the upgraded limit is in 3H because of slam possibility. So for me 4S show the huge D fit and Hx in spades.
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