[Apollo81]

all red imps

QJx
Axx
KJxxx
Jx

1♦*-(3♣)-?

*Precision

[Apollo81]

the 3♣ option in the poll was supposed to be 3♦

[hrothgar]

Hey there

The minimum length promised by a Precision 1♦ seems tovary between 0 and four cards. It would be useful to understand which camp you fall into.

(I lean stongly towards double btw. I think that this hand will play well in a 4-3 major suit fit)

I intend to

Pass 3NT
Raise 3M to 4M
(Regretfully) pass 3♦

[Apollo81]

assume 1♦ promises 2 which is normal for precision

[benlessard]

X followed by 3Nt over 3M show exactly this hand. Half a stopper and diamond fit. Jx isnt that good facing Qx or stiff K but life is hard.

[FrancesHinden]

benlessard, on Jul 23 2008, 05:15 PM, said:

X followed by 3Nt over 3M show exactly this hand. Half a stopper and diamond fit. Jx isnt that good facing Qx or stiff K but life is hard.

I'm not a Precision player, but personally if I had, say,

xx
AKxx
Kxxx
AQx

I would double 3C and bid 3NT over 3S (or 3D) to show full club stop and interest in playing in a major.

[MickyB]

Apollo81, on Jul 23 2008, 02:28 PM, said:

assume 1♦ promises 2 which is normal for precision

Wouldn't surprise me if both 0 and 4 were more common than 2 in the UK - can't remember ever seeing a club-standard player playing it as 2+.

How light do you open - take it the balanced range in 1♦ is 11-13, and that 3♦ over 3♣ would be NF? Anyway, I'm probably doubling, and the problem will come on the next round.

[RichMor]

I voted for double and intend to:
raise 3♦ to 4,
raise 3♥/♠ to 4,
pass 3NT

Good luck pard

For a Precision pair who opens 1♦ on 2, it would be a good agreement that 3♦ by responder shows 5+ and some values and denies a 4-card major. If we had that agreement then I would bid 3♦.

[Apollo81]

benlessard, on Jul 23 2008, 12:15 PM, said:

X followed by 3Nt over 3M show exactly this hand. Half a stopper and diamond fit. Jx isnt that good facing Qx or stiff K but life is hard.

That's not what that sequence shows. In fact as Frances said you could have 2 or 3 stoppers for the exact same sequence.

[bigmax]

FrancesHinden, on Jul 23 2008, 11:55 AM, said:

I'm not a Precision player, but personally if I had, say,

xx
AKxx
Kxxx
AQx

I would double 3C and bid 3NT over 3S (or 3D) to show full club stop and interest in playing in a major.

Is partner allowed to bid 4♠? Then what would 5♦ show - slam going hand without ♣ control (something like KQxx, AKxx, AKx, xx) or example above.

[jtfanclub]

benlessard, on Jul 23 2008, 11:15 AM, said:

X followed by 3Nt over 3M show exactly this hand. Half a stopper and diamond fit. Jx isnt that good facing Qx or stiff K but life is hard.

That's close to what I'm used to. X followed by 3NT shows a balanced hand with enough points for game but without club stops.

I don't play that 4♠ is possible over 3NT, but with a 3-suiter partner can bid 4♣ over 3NT, or with a two-suiter he can bid 4♦.

[effervesce]

If 1♦ promises 0, perhaps 3♦ should be forcing anyway (perhaps even if it's 2+). However, since it isnt, then I'm forced to X, raising 3M to 4M and passing 3♦.

[the hog]

X. Raise 3M to 4M and pass 3NT.

[mike777]

Apollo81, on Jul 23 2008, 08:19 AM, said:

all red imps

QJx
Axx
KJxxx
Jx

1♦*-(3♣)-?

*Precision

How can x ever be wrong?

[EricK]

mike777, on Jul 24 2008, 11:47 AM, said:

Apollo81, on Jul 23 2008, 08:19 AM, said:

all red imps

QJx
Axx
KJxxx
Jx

1♦*-(3♣)-?

*Precision

How can x ever be wrong?

Well, if partner has a 3343 hand without a club stop and decides to show his cheaper (or better) 3 card major and you raise to 4 on your 3 card suit...

[benlessard]

Quote

I'm not a Precision player, but personally if I had, say,

xx
AKxx
Kxxx
AQx

Well if partner bid 3H. 3Nt can show half a stopper since you can bid 3S with 4S Gf or better i think is to play that 3S show half a stopper and that 3Nt show a stopper (so that you dont wrongside when you have Kx).

If he bid 3S. You can choose that 3Nt show 1-2 stoppers or that it show 0.5 to 1 stopper. I believe that if you have 2 stoppers you should bid 3Nt even if you have 4card majors.

I kind of prefer that 3Nt show half or 1 stopper.

1- because if partner doesnt half half a stopper and cannot pass my X then maybe 5m will be better then 3Nt with only 1 stopper.

2- Because with 1 stopper and 4M bidding 3Nt is still available

3- because hand with half a stopper vs half a stopper might make 3Nt but rarely make 5m.

Anyway on this hand its a clear double.

Edited
PS

1D---(3H)----X------(Pass)
3S---(P)------3Nt

obvioulsy show half a stopper and not 4S with a stopper.

[Apollo81]

Well, the responses to this have convinced me at least that it is not an obvious decision, and that I should have posted it in a Standard bidding context.