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Impossible Auction?

Poll: Does this auction exist (in the rational sense)? (30 member(s) have cast votes)

Does this auction exist (in the rational sense)?

  1. Yes (11 votes [36.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.67%

  2. No (19 votes [63.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 63.33%

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#1 User is offline   jonottawa 

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Posted 2008-July-13, 22:11

Playing 2/1 with support doubles, you pick up in 4th all white:

♠AJ73 ♥J8 ♦9862 ♣AQ2

P - 1♣ - P - 1♠
X - P - 2♥ - X
P - 3♥ - P - 3N
P - 4♠ - P - ?

If yes, what's partner's most likely hand?

(And I hate your 3NT bid too, but that's another poll.)
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Posted 2008-July-13, 22:38

No, this auction doesn't exist for me in a rational sense. I won't venture to guess partners hand. He's obviously got a fit for me - other than that, I haven't got a clue.
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Posted 2008-July-14, 01:03

definitely impossible.
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Posted 2008-July-14, 01:13

Partner passed the double, basically denying both spade support and an awesome hand. He then proceeded to show spade support along with an awesome hand.

Impossible.
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Posted 2008-July-14, 01:20

I was thinking maybe he passed 2H then bid 3H with like an 18 count and no heart stopper or something...but then he bid 4S lol.
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Posted 2008-July-14, 01:47

jonottawa, on Jul 13 2008, 11:11 PM, said:

Playing 2/1 with support doubles, you pick up in 4th all white:

♠AJ73 ♥J8 ♦9862 ♣AQ2

P - 1♣ - P - 1♠
X - P - 2♥ - X
P - 3♥ - P - 3N
P - 4♠ - P - ?

If yes, what's partner's most likely hand?

(And I hate your 3NT bid too, but that's another poll.)

Can we please back up stop responder bidding x over 2h
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Posted 2008-July-14, 04:01

Maybe opener has a hand he feels is too good to raise directly to 4♠ and was fishing for information before making some strong sounding raise? I suppose he could have redoubled.
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Posted 2008-July-14, 04:57

brianshark, on Jul 14 2008, 11:01 AM, said:

Maybe opener has a hand he feels is too good to raise directly to 4♠ and was fishing for information before making some strong sounding raise? I suppose he could have redoubled.

Yes, that's my thoughts as well. Or maybe he was hoping that LHO is a noob who would think the double was for penalties :)

Maybe he "should" have redoubled or bid 4♠ instead of passing, but I think the auction makes some sense anyway.
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Posted 2008-July-14, 05:19

If we play support redoubles (I don't) then he can't have a strong hand that wants to penalise. The auction doesn't really exist, but I might guess that

- Partner didn't know what redouble of 1H would have meant, so didn't make it.
- Partner has a strong 3145 or similar

I hate our 3NT bid. Why did we think we had a heart stop? 4C seems obvious.
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Posted 2008-July-14, 05:21

Yeah, maybe some high defense-to-offense ratio hand like ♠Kxxx ♥AK ♦AK ♣Kxxxx? This makes for a tricky situation, as 6♠ may be on.
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Posted 2008-July-14, 05:52

The only explanation I can think of would be a minimum hand with 3-0 in the major's. Don't want to make a support XX and don't want to play 3NT, but certainly to good for 2/3sp over X. Say Qxx/-/AJxx/Kxxxxx?

Maybe impossible is the correct answer.
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Posted 2008-July-14, 08:36

Why would you not make a support redouble with that hand?
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Posted 2008-July-14, 09:36

I think partner was dicking around with a huge hand.
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Posted 2008-July-14, 09:44

jdonn, on Jul 14 2008, 07:36 AM, said:

I think partner was dicking around with a huge hand.

Ditto. And apologies to Dick.

I think pard has 3 spades, some real good clubs, and didn't want to make a support double. He thought he could control the auction and 'listen' to whats going on. In the end, he had a nasty guess.

I seldom play with people like this btw.
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Posted 2008-July-14, 12:46

Hi,

one option, not sure, if this is a rational option:
Partner has 4 or more spades and a heart shortage,
he decided to pass 1Sx, ... for whatever reasons,
looked for slam hearing about a heart shortage with
me, and after hearing I have heart wastage (Kx) signed
off in 4S.

The main trouble of course is, that this would give
the opponents 10 hearts, which is not consistent
with their auction.

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Posted 2008-July-14, 13:38

Guess it was impossible to work out. I thought it might be possible to deduce what I held, based on the fact that it's easy for me to describe almost any other hand type with at least 3 Spades. Actual hand below. How would you have bid it? (And I hate people who bid like this too. This time that people was me, though.)

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Posted 2008-July-14, 13:41

Everyone seems to assume 4♠ shows spades support, but partner denied that earlier. Perhaps partner has Kx x AKQ KJxxxxx.
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Posted 2008-July-14, 13:43

Can't see your hand, only the suit symbols.
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Posted 2008-July-14, 13:48

You have to mark his post with the mouse, lexlogan. It is written in hidden text.
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Posted 2008-July-14, 14:01

jonottawa, on Jul 14 2008, 11:38 AM, said:

Guess it was impossible to work out. I thought it might be possible to deduce what I held, based on the fact that it's easy for me to describe almost any other hand type with at least 3 Spades. Actual hand below. How would you have bid it? (And I hate people who bid like this too. This time that people was me, though.)

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Well at least you are honest.

In some of my partnerships, 4♠ shows about this hand. Splinters are stronger in terms of point count.
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