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I don't know what to bid How many spades? or psyche?

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Posted 2008-July-13, 15:42

Scoring: IMP

(1♥*) 1♠ (2♦**) ?

* 10-15 5+ hearts
** Natural and forcing


What do you bid?

What do you do over subsequent developments where appropriate after the opponents bid game, slam or grand slam?
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Posted 2008-July-13, 15:57

I will try 5d, then pass slam or grand.
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Posted 2008-July-13, 16:30

I'm tempted just to bid 5 spades now. After subsequent actions, I intend to pass, or if they land in hearts, then double for a diamond lead.
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Posted 2008-July-13, 16:40

2 spades is the psycke I've seen working before.
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Posted 2008-July-13, 17:26

Tempted to blast 6S but I guess I would just bid 5. If they bid over this then I'd make a negative slam double.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-July-13, 20:20

3NT.

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2008-July-13, 20:52

5 feels right. I'm not selling out to 5♦, but I don't want to take a phantom at 6.
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Posted 2008-July-13, 20:53

han, on Jul 13 2008, 03:26 PM, said:

Tempted to blast 6S but I guess I would just bid 5. If they bid over this then I'd make a negative slam double.

Do you play these Han? I haven't heard of negative slam doubles in a very long time, although I always thought they made some sense.
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Posted 2008-July-13, 20:54

No I don't play them, was a joke.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-July-13, 20:54

Hanoi5, on Jul 14 2008, 02:20 PM, said:

3NT.

snap

this is what I chose at the table.

I am not sure now that it was very smart.
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Posted 2008-July-13, 20:56

I think 3NT is not very smart at all. The auction screams "psyche!", and gives the opponents 4D, 4H, 4S and double (compared with 4S for example).
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-July-13, 20:57

I've decided that blatant psychs don't tend to work nearly as well as people think here. As for 4 or 5 or 6 or possibly 3♠ it's sort of a gut thing. I like 4 here, I actually want to leave them room for blackwood so I can maybe even double 7♥.
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Posted 2008-July-13, 21:05

Don't see any point at all in 3NT, and I expect that there are very few people who would expect a blatant psyche to work on this auction. RHO has heard his partner open the bidding, and can see the cards in his hand.

Personally I would bid 4♠ here, but agree that any of 4♠, 5♠ or 6♠ are perfectly reasonable alternatives.
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Posted 2008-July-13, 21:10

I don't understand what these 6S bidders are thinking, partner hasn't preempted...his hand can be quite good. They might not even have a game, though that is unlikely, it's certainly likely that they can't make a slam and/or that you can buy it below 6S.

I also don't understand what the 3N bidders are thinking, what is the goal of the 3N bid to confuse the opps? They opened and made a 2/1 and have short spades, I have a feeling they won't be confused.

Bidding 4 vs 5 is a tough decision, I would love to bid 4 and have LHO bid something and partner double. But I would hate to bid 4 and have LHO bid blackwood or raise and then have his partner cuebid 5S or something. Overall I like 5 a little bit better.
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Posted 2008-July-13, 21:12

han, on Jul 14 2008, 02:56 PM, said:

I think 3NT is not very smart at all. The auction screams "psyche!", and gives the opponents 4D, 4H, 4S and double (compared with 4S for example).

I agree with all of this.

The problem on this hand though I think is deciding whether to sacrifice over 6/7♦.

Perhaps 2♠ or 6♠ is right. You either want to know how confidently they bid slam or make them guess.
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Posted 2008-July-13, 21:39

Jlall, on Jul 13 2008, 10:10 PM, said:

Bidding 4 vs 5 is a tough decision, I would love to bid 4 and have LHO bid something and partner double. But I would hate to bid 4 and have LHO bid blackwood or raise and then have his partner cuebid 5S or something. Overall I like 5 a little bit better.

Opener is 10-15, so often won't be able to Blackwood anyway.
I am not saying this makes 5♠ wrong, it may still be best. :(
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Posted 2008-July-13, 22:33

5♠ for me. I think that's the bid that puts the right amount of pressure on opps. Might turn out to be bad though.
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Posted 2008-July-14, 06:17

Cascade, on Jul 13 2008, 04:42 PM, said:

Dealer: West
Vul: E/W
Scoring: IMP
♠ J97543
♥ 74
♦  
♣ 86432
(1♥*) 1♠ (2♦**) ?

* 10-15 5+ hearts
** Natural and forcing


What do you bid?

What do you do over subsequent developments where appropriate after the opponents bid game, slam or grand slam?

5S. Your hand, for all of its lack of values, has a void that rates to be working and We rate to be in an 11 card fit.

Make your maximum pressure bid and get out of the auction.
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Posted 2008-July-14, 11:17

Cascade, on Jul 13 2008, 04:42 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(1♥*) 1♠ (2♦**) ?

* 10-15 5+ hearts
** Natural and forcing


What do you bid?

What do you do over subsequent developments where appropriate after the opponents bid game, slam or grand slam?

5♠ now, pass later.
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Posted 2008-July-14, 13:06

I think the key things here are

opener is limited
you want something high enough to make opps think you have more than you have , and yet make a sacrifice sound doubleable at as low a level as possible

3spades should do the trick , probably ; with 15 max highly likely opener will be stuck for a bid , and whether or not pt decides to bid 4 it is likely that rho will find it difficult to express his values constructively ; further bid in spades next round coming up , semi psyches have to be followed up !
5 spades max for me , but wonder what pt will bid

nice question , look forward to seeing the whole hand
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