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#1 User is offline   han 

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Posted 2008-July-11, 10:38

A109
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AK65

None, IMPs. Partner deals and passes, RHO opens 1H. Do you double?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-July-11, 10:47

No. Change a club to a spade and I would pass and feel old. As it is, I just pass and feel normal.
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Posted 2008-July-11, 12:08

Clear pass.
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Posted 2008-July-11, 12:09

Not remote. Pass.
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Posted 2008-July-11, 12:51

I'm horrified that the question even needs to be asked. You would have to turn a heart into a spade or diamond before I'd double.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-July-11, 12:57

Partner's a passed hand? Definitely pass. If he wasn't? hmm I would be a bit more understanding but the hand looks like it lacks ♦Q or something..
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Posted 2008-July-11, 13:11

gnasher, on Jul 11 2008, 01:51 PM, said:

I'm horrified that the question even needs to be asked.

Alright alright. Let's just say I saw someone double and wanted to know if others would.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-July-11, 13:24

I might double if I wanted some help with a lead, but not such a problem on this hand, since I know what I'm going to lead
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Posted 2008-July-11, 14:12

definitely no
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Posted 2008-July-11, 15:18

Obvious pass.
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Posted 2008-July-11, 15:24

andy_h, on Jul 11 2008, 07:57 PM, said:

Partner's a passed hand? Definitely pass. If he wasn't? hmm I would be a bit more understanding but the hand looks like it lacks ♦Q or something..

So facing an unpassed hand you'd double with A109 876 Q63 AK65 ? I'm not horrified, but I'm deeply troubled.
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Posted 2008-July-11, 22:26

gnasher, on Jul 12 2008, 07:24 AM, said:

andy_h, on Jul 11 2008, 07:57 PM, said:

Partner's a passed hand? Definitely pass. If he wasn't? hmm I would be a bit more understanding but the hand looks like it lacks ♦Q or something..

So facing an unpassed hand you'd double with A109 876 Q63 AK65 ? I'm not horrified, but I'm deeply troubled.

I admit it's certainly not perfect and when i don't have a true shortage of RHO's suit I would very much prefer a 4th card in the major, in this case spades. This is just my style, I like to get into the auction early if partner is unable to act with like a random 7/8 count. Having said that, I may lean towards a pass if it came up at the table. But give me a 4th spade making my hand AT9x 876 Q6x AK6 I think I would be tempted to dbl. Changing situations of having my RHO opening say 1D and I held AT9 Q63 876 AK65 that would be an automatic dbl for me.
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Posted 2008-July-11, 22:36

so is there an end to the story?
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Posted 2008-July-11, 22:52

matmat, on Jul 11 2008, 10:36 PM, said:

so is there an end to the story?

I doubled. It seems to me on many auctions you will be happy that you have doubled (you want partner to bid his 5-card suit in almost any partscore auction, and you certainly don't like to balance over 1H 1N or 1H 2H).
In the actual auction I wasn't so happy I doubled, first LHO bid 4♥ (precision) and I had to hope partner wouldn't bid, then thankfully he passed but RHO amazingly got the spade guess right at trick 3 with KJx in dummy...

I am a little surprised about the strong feelings in this thread, e.g. I would never dream of passing if you also give me ♦Q opposite an unpassed partner
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Posted 2008-July-11, 23:10

cherdano, on Jul 11 2008, 11:52 PM, said:

I am a little surprised about the strong feelings in this thread, e.g. I would never dream of passing if you also give me ♦Q opposite an unpassed partner

Additional Queens are not that minor. Opening a nice 4432 9-count is a lot more shocking than a nice 5532 11-count. Same for a nice 4432 13-count 1NT (15-17).
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Posted 2008-July-12, 01:02

Agree with Ken, an additional (well placed) queen is a lot. And even then you've created a minimum for most people (or a hand that a lot of people would pass with anyways). To me your comment is like saying you're shocked people would feel strongly about passing a 4333 10 count in first seat.
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Posted 2008-July-12, 09:54

Heh, I didn't express shock, just surprise, and the additional queen was gnasher's construction (who expressed shock at a double with that).
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