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The auction goes like this and you're 4th to bid holding a decent heart suit -
(1♠)-2♦-(2♠)-?
X would be responsive for the unbid suits. 2N is undiscussed but probably natural(?).
What do you bid with an invitational or game-forcing hand with hearts?
- Is 3♥ forcing? If 3♥ is forcing, can you double and convert 3m to 3♥ to invite, or does that imply some other sort of hand?
- What do you do with a game going hand, but when your hearts (maybe only 5 or 6 poor ones) aren't good enough to insist on strain by just bidding 4♥ yourself?
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Posted 2008-July-03, 12:54
3♥ is forcing, Double then 3♥ is not forcing
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Posted 2008-July-03, 13:21
Apollo81, on Jul 3 2008, 01:54 PM, said:
3♥ is forcing, Double then 3♥ is not forcing
Perhaps strangely, I would have assumed the opposite. I claim no authority on this, though.
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Posted 2008-July-04, 00:33
Perhaps not strangely I would have assumed the opposite from Ken, but I claim no autority on this either.
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Posted 2008-July-04, 00:41
Apollo81, on Jul 3 2008, 11:54 AM, said:
3♥ is forcing, Double then 3♥ is not forcing
Agree.
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Posted 2008-July-04, 01:54
3H is non-forcing and not a fit bid, it just shows hearts.
Double then bid hearts with a good hand with hearts.
Double then bid hearts with a good hand with hearts.
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Posted 2008-July-04, 02:00
3♥ is non-forcing, Double then 3♥ is forcing. This is better for two reasons:
- A competitive 3♥ is much more likely to occur than a game-forcing one
- When you make an off-shape takeout double, there is a risk of partner overcompeting in the suit that you have shown but don't have (clubs in this case). The stronger you are, the less this risk, and the more likely you are to be able to cope if it does occur.
- A competitive 3♥ is much more likely to occur than a game-forcing one
- When you make an off-shape takeout double, there is a risk of partner overcompeting in the suit that you have shown but don't have (clubs in this case). The stronger you are, the less this risk, and the more likely you are to be able to cope if it does occur.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-July-04, 02:32
gnasher, on Jul 4 2008, 10:00 AM, said:
3♥ is non-forcing, Double then 3♥ is forcing. This is better for two reasons:
- A competitive 3♥ is much more likely to occur than a game-forcing one
- When you make an off-shape takeout double, there is a risk of partner overcompeting in the suit that you have shown but don't have (clubs in this case). The stronger you are, the less this risk, and the more likely you are to be able to cope if it does occur.
- A competitive 3♥ is much more likely to occur than a game-forcing one
- When you make an off-shape takeout double, there is a risk of partner overcompeting in the suit that you have shown but don't have (clubs in this case). The stronger you are, the less this risk, and the more likely you are to be able to cope if it does occur.
Not saying that your way isn't the best, but the double with a good heart-suit is more vulnerable to a 3♠ or 4♠ call from opener.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Best Regards Ole Berg
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
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