[Gweny]

What do you think?
What is you favorite tournaemnt format?

[inquiry]

My favorite tournments are longer ones, 24 to 26 max, 16 to 18 min.

I would have also checked that survivor events are no good. I think survivor should be saved for directorless events. I have several problems with the concept of survivor events.

1) If there is a weak pair that gets cut early, the few "lucky" soles that played against them have an unfair advantage, as others will not enjoy the pleasure.

2) A team leading the event can be cut if one happens to have been temporarily cut when the round is called.

3) One bad board caused by one opponent gettign to the magic spot against you early in an event and you are gone for-ever, no chance to make a come-back.

and finally,

4) This is not a real-world kind of event.

Despite these flaws, if someone was to start a free-for-all event with not tournment director. I think a survivor event would be ideal for those conditions.

[hrothgar]

Gweny, on Mar 17 2004, 11:13 PM, said:

What do you think?
What is you favorite tournaemnt format?

I have little to no interest in survivor pairs
The main feature that I would value (a fully meshed event) is not listed as an option

[Gweny]

I guess I can say I enjoy all types of tournaments but I find survivor and knock out tournaments very much fun for they allow me to enjoy adrenalin of advancing to next round and also release me if it is bad tournament.

yes it is maybe dependent on luck little bit and yes _ _ _ _ do happen. But I argue not everyone share same goals you do inquiry/hrothgar (i love this "krinkly with seals" quote)

Do you think majority of players at bbo is here for "serious" bridge or for fun bridge? Considering consistent and long life of total points tournaments I think we can safely say large numbers of bbo players enjoy knock out /survivor style "social" bridge tournaments.

I think tournaments like ones you favor is for people who is "serious" bridge players and tournaments of shorter length and survivors is prefer by people who main goal is pleasure of very fun game with like mind people.

but maybe I err...

[mishovnbg]

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Hi Gweny!

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You are one of my favorite directors, both in total points and new tournaments, thank you! ♥♥♥

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About "social" bridge... I play now only this kind of bridge. But it doesn't mean I don't like to win or like when opps beat me. If somebody like it, he/she has probably some kind of masochism in her/his nature. In my opinion in same case is better to play a game of patience. I know one very good named "prisoner's", because legend say one prisoner had success after 10 years of play with it.

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Sortly: agree with Ben, survivor tournaments are good for tournaments without director. They are complete nonsense for any type of real competition. May be for directors they are fun, but probably players pay for that fun.

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Misho

[spwdo]

hi,

i read some not so accurate things here.

1. after one bad baord u are not out, started today with 0% and 16 % first round and made it till last cut(35% cuts tournament) , first cuts are always after 4 boards so one bad board doesnt cut you

2, players are so happy when they make all cuts so there are more feeling a winner, so players seem to enjoy

3.Every sport has his cuts, i think every international bridge game had some preeliminaries too(how to decide who can play for a country or not if u dont)

4, i tried a new tourney (swiss movement) , unfortunaly several that are scoring bad seem to disapear every tourny , in swiss u get a lot more demands like i cant continui with this partner, he no advanced, he lie in profile and so on(plaese all that are disagreeing with the disconnect factor before u start all over again, be my co-host and you`ll talk very different after)We are hosting for the main public not a private club,HUGE DIFFRENCE, think i have a fair comparison because i do both.
For all these reasons i changed the movement to 0% cuts so only the pairs with one missing player are excused, can be that some unfortunate pair is excused who had the intention to continui and just a that second when round change got completely offline(if sooner u can always ask for a substitution)

5. no such things as weak pairs having influence in other ways then every other movement, even in a striaght mitchell movement u are not playing afainst every other pair so must be lucky wher u start first and against who u play if u hope to play the "weak" pairs.when i start today in tourney with my 0% 16 i was weak? sure was first round, to bad for others we dint play so "weak" rest of the tour

6. with 3000 people online we host +- 100 tables so the vast majority seems to like these tourneys(several others are on at the same time)

7. in our tourneys we replace a player that is offline when asked even at the end of rounds so they can continui(99% now knows u are cut if u or you partner is missing, why we know that, becuase we hardly ever get a question "why we are cut" anymore.

8. It seems to me that the statement , "must be masochist to like these cuts"isnt correct either while most seem to find that continuing when a partnership isnt working(scoring bad board after board) is the real masochisme, and i can understand someone saying when u have to play 16 more baords with a partnership not in "full harmony"(understatement)it can be rather painfull, lets not forget that most of partnerships are casual ones or pick up, they it seems like to "test" new partners and if not what they expected quickly move on instead of what some call it "torture" if they have to continui


i think i forget something or dint explain myslef good in some points but your replies will filter that out so i can correct if needed, we among friends here anyways


marc

[tenbrvc]

Here's my two cents worth

Survivor tournaments may not be real bridge, but I enjoy them because they're different! It's a format that's not available anywhere else.

I like tournaments that are 3-6 boards. I play bridge for fun and relaxation, and short tournaments are great. It allows me to take a break from other things I may be doing. It's great if people prefer long matches, but I don't want to make bridge my life and similar to survivor tournaments, it is a format not readily available anywhere else. It's also great for directors who just want to host a tournament for practice or have a few more minutes before they have other things to do.

I'd like to see survivor individuals!

So the more variety there are in tournaments, the better it is!

[inquiry]

Hi Gweny, Hi Marc,

Let me address two issues.

Gweny said...

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yes it is maybe dependent on luck little bit and yes _ _ _ _ do happen. But I argue not everyone share same goals you do inquiry/hrothgar

I think neither Richard or I suggest every shares the same goals and likes or dislikes as we do. The question was which one people preferred, I suspected there would be a lot of answers with a lot of variability. I don't think either one of us suspected even a majority to agree with us. We simply gave our preference.

Marc, you play in an IMP survivor and your opponents bid a grand slam against you vul that most pairs miss even bidding small slam, then you will be cut unless you are remarkably lucky on the other three hands. Even a lucky game by the opponents or good defense against your vul game where everyone esle is getting horrible defense and it is four boards and you are done. Matchpoints, is a little different, you have a better chance to hang around after one disaster. Take a look sometime at who gets cut after one round/two rounds. Minus 15 imps is often enough.

Ben

[Rain]

I would like to vote for MP tourneys of any form. Don't like IMP



Rain

[Free]

Where is "other"??? I just like a long team-match

[the hog]

Imps matches of 14 to 28 boards, please. No interest whatsoever in "survivor". Will also play MPs, but needs to be a really good standard event.

[spwdo]

hi,

i prefer playing imp( but i make effort to play in whatever tourneys my firnds hosts , tht makes me beeing online for +10 hours a day but i love this game and i support my friends in whatever way i can)but u right ben if u play a reduoble in first board and go down or opps make u probaly will be cut in imp, i think thats the main reason that most huge cuts events are MP and the smaller cuts events like "a bridge too far"(10%cuts only varuios imp or mp) , the climb of the matterhorn is mp and sadly i see that some cuts were needed (lot of drop outs, just overall much more subs needed), i dont know why.

greetings marc

[spwdo]

hi


"and as soon the day comes that we can find a way that we dont have that much subs needed( i know for instance the private bridge club on msn gaming zone hardly ever needed a substitotion) not that many members in thier so on bbo you woud expand that number (for example if 10 tables needed one sub off course 100 tables will need 10 subs)" im the first to volunteering longer events if we tds coud cooperate and maybe drop some smaller events , simply if we/us coud get some help in hosting a marathon event weekly, same for indy/pairs with specail cc, for example , indy with precision as standard, i think enough tds have approval bye now, we only need to see us tds as partners and work togheter instead of trying to get max. tabless in "our" events, when i first started i helped everybody but unfortunaly i seen tomany onedays flies that i`ve helped and then went hsoting same tourneys opposite of some existing one.What is the gain of 3 survivor events with same standards (sayc based) hosted at the same time?but this is probaly not what the first post was intendend for, sorry


marc

[joker_gib]

Hi all,

Having a lot of tournament types is great and is clearly a advantage of online bridge.

If there are types of tounaments you don't like, simply don't play them and go to the main bridge club !!


By the way, it is impossible to eliminate the great luck factor in so small events like 10,12 or 14 boards tournaments !!!

ALAIN

[anssibragge]

Survivor, definately. In danish or swiss mode.

Even tho we just were cut out in second round from Bridge too far

(First board -800 against nothing in Imps across was simply too much, tho we surviced the first round!)

abe

[spwdo]

hi,

sorry abe for the cut:)) it was software not your tds who did it lol.


mmmmm, cuts only happen after ending the second round, so if 2 baords a round u actually play at least four baords before the first cut appears, personnalyy i woud prefer 3 baords /round, i tryied it but to many third baords are skipped because 2 baords a round is most commen thing around and players forget in the"heat" there is a baord more and we get after a round then a lot of explaining to do on "why A==, opps played slow" hard to take action then and i like to see every board beeing played combined with the slowplay adjust we rarely have to make


marc

[Trpltrbl]

Many tournaments, many choices. You have to like that, something for everyone.
My favorite would be regular size tournament, 26/27/28 brds with survivor mode starting after 4th round, when playing 3 brds a round. When playing 2 brds a round I would start after 6th round. But this option not avaliable.
I generally start with 0% cut, and after 4th round I start cutting pretty big, coming down to like 8 tables with 2 rounds to go, and 4 tables in last round.
Since I seem to be only one who does it like that I never get to play in one.

Mike

[hrothgar]

Could someone please describe why people enjoy "survivor" style tournament.

Personally, I find this type of tournament incomprehensible.
Culling the weak pairs only serves to increase the randomness of the event.

Its there some benefit for either players or directrs that I am missing?

[Dwingo]

Most of the time, I am playing with 1st time partnership in tournaments, self proclaimed experts. I don't want to prolong the agony if the partnership is not going to work out. Better to go on to the next tourney and experiment with another partner. I like Survivor only for this reason.

However I somehow don't like when there is a big cut ( like 35% ) at the end of 2nd round. I prefer if the cuts are applicable half way through and if the cut is in the region of 10% to 20%. This atleast give you hope ( assuming you are playing with your favourite partner) if the 1st round is a disaster and give you scope to escape the cut by doing well in the subsequent rounds.

[Trpltrbl]

It is like playing in blue ribbons, only everything has to be done within X amount of brds. It is too much of a hassle to play 3 different days since half of the people that qualify don't show up. So first few rounds are played, and we see that as qualifying round. Then we start playing with cut where the weakest pairs are ousted. Now we are in semifinal segment, playb a few rounds there with people getting ousted. And now we get to finals, not many weak pairs are left. And the best of the best, at least during that day, will win.

Mike

P.S. If you don't like it, don't play in it.
Kinda like if you don't like Howard Stern, turn it off. But I guess that is too hard for some of you....