[jillybean]

Here we go again
Each time I view forums lately, there is one post that stands out – What The Fuck partner

I was under the impression the WC was there for this type of language. Obviously not, the moderators and site owners allow it and I’m in the tiny minority who object to it. How far can we go now?

[matmat]

WTF?

[inquiry]

Jilly, are you sure it means what you think it means... I always thought it stood for this.....



Don't we all enjoy playing bridge while at work? (WTF is a PSP game).

[Winstonm]

Yes, and F.U. stands for Felix Unger.

[jillybean]

Justin and all,

Yes, I find the word ***** unnecessary and offensive here. If I happened to find myself in a rugby club changing room I would not be surprised to hear it, I would have no complaints but I wouldn’t stay and listen to it either. If I hear people talking like this in public I ask them to watch their language. Its cool when you are young but it is rarely appropriate. It may be ok in private or in certain groups, other forums are dedicated to it http://www.bakakage....php?showforum=4 but why is it necessary in a bridge forum?

Justin let me ask you a question, would you use this language at dinner with your parents and grandmother or at a meeting with a new paying client?

At the end of the day it doesn’t matter what I think, I’m not making the rules but I do feel strongly enough about it to say something.

Oh and why do I find the word offensive?

It is what it is, swear words, expletives, vulgarities designed to shock, offend and insult. There is usually a sexist connotation, derogatory to women or female body parts, I doubt that I need to give any examples.

[kenrexford]

WTH?

[Elianna]

I agree with Jillybean in that I think that this language should not be acceptable public language, but I don't know that anything can be done about it. It's the way people talk nowadays.

I can't even get my students (at a religious girl's school) not to swear in the hallways, I doubt that you could force adults not to swear, especially when they're not typing out the word, they're using abreviations.

Since I saw this post, I was thinking about this subject. I was brought up that it is unacceptable to use certain words/expressions in public, and that those who do are breaking the rules intentionally, for attention. I now think that society does not impose this onus against words/expressions, and so there isn't a shock factor to many people when they read/hear them.

I doubt that we can ever go back to the previous state, and wonder what a future generation will do when they can't shock their parents by their language.

[zasanya]

jillybean2, on Jun 29 2008, 06:48 PM, said:

Justin and all,

Yes, I find the word ***** unnecessary and offensive here. If I happened to find myself in a rugby club changing room I would not be surprised to hear it, I would have no complaints but I wouldn’t stay and listen to it either. If I hear people talking like this in public I ask them to watch their language. Its cool when you are young but it is rarely appropriate. It may be ok in private or in certain groups, other forums are dedicated to it http://www.bakakage....php?showforum=4 but why is it necessary in a bridge forum?

Justin let me ask you a question, would you use this language at dinner with your parents and grandmother or at a meeting with a new paying client?

At the end of the day it doesn’t matter what I think, I’m not making the rules but I do feel strongly enough about it to say something.

Oh and why do I find the word offensive?

It is what it is, swear words, expletives, vulgarities designed to shock, offend and insult. There is usually a sexist connotation, derogatory to women or female body parts, I doubt that I need to give any examples.

well said

[matmat]

Elianna, on Jun 29 2008, 09:06 PM, said:

I agree with Jillybean in that I think that this language should not be acceptable public language, but I don't know that anything can be done about it. It's the way people talk nowadays.

I can't even get my students (at a religious girl's school) not to swear in the hallways, I doubt that you could force adults not to swear, especially when they're not typing out the word, they're using abreviations.

Since I saw this post, I was thinking about this subject. I was brought up that it is unacceptable to use certain words/expressions in public, and that those who do are breaking the rules intentionally, for attention. I now think that society does not impose this onus against words/expressions, and so there isn't a shock factor to many people when they read/hear them.

I doubt that we can ever go back to the previous state, and wonder what a future generation will do when they can't shock their parents by their language.

as it might be obvious from my earlier post, this sort of language doesn't really bother me.

I find it sort of amusing that people get all pissy about the use of the f-bomb or some other curseword, and are not insulted by various other social faux pas.

For instance, I find it a lot more insulting when someone lies to me, than if they tell me to go f. myself. It seems to me this is all about the appearance of propriety rather than morality/social standards themselves. Maybe I am jaded, but I get the sense that people care a LOT more about what others think of them than of what they actually are like.

The outrage at "improper" language often strikes me as fake.

[jdonn]

The abbreviation offends you, but you typed out the word itself which most of us never do. I just don't understand you.

[jtfanclub]

jdonn, on Jun 29 2008, 10:54 PM, said:

The abbreviation offends you, but you typed out the word itself which most of us never do. I just don't understand you.

And when the question comes up as to whether reading the forum is Safe for Work, WTF is fine, but typing out the word is not.

[mike777]

matmat, on Jun 29 2008, 10:42 PM, said:

Elianna, on Jun 29 2008, 09:06 PM, said:

I agree with Jillybean in that I think that this language should not be acceptable public language, but I don't know that anything can be done about it.  It's the way people talk nowadays. 

I can't even get my students (at a religious girl's school) not to swear in the hallways, I doubt that you could force adults not to swear, especially when they're not typing out the word, they're using abreviations.

Since I saw this post, I was thinking about this subject.  I was brought up that it is unacceptable to use certain words/expressions in public, and that those who do are breaking the rules intentionally, for attention.  I now think that society does not impose this onus against words/expressions, and so there isn't a shock factor to many people when they read/hear them.

I doubt that we can ever go back to the previous state, and wonder what a future generation will do when they can't shock their parents by their language.

as it might be obvious from my earlier post, this sort of language doesn't really bother me.

I find it sort of amusing that people get all pissy about the use of the f-bomb or some other curseword, and are not insulted by various other social faux pas.

For instance, I find it a lot more insulting when someone lies to me, than if they tell me to go f. myself. It seems to me this is all about the appearance of propriety rather than morality/social standards themselves. Maybe I am jaded, but I get the sense that people care a LOT more about what others think of them than of what they actually are like.

The outrage at "improper" language often strikes me as fake.

I would greatly prefer a family language forum site where children could be directed too but agree that most posters seem to prefer a more adult language site.

More worrisome is that Elianna in an all girl religious school cannot or has given up the good fight ( ) to discipline children over swear words. The fight was long lost in public schools, hate to see it lost in private religious schools.

[matmat]

mike777, on Jun 29 2008, 11:42 PM, said:

More worrisome is that Elianna in an all girl religious school cannot or has given up the good fight (  ) to discipline children over swear words.  The fight was long lost in public schools, hate to see it lost in private religious schools.

yes, me too.
we all know that religious people are paragons of moral and ethical behavior. especially the ones at the helm.

I think it is important to teach children that lying is ok, as long as you can get away with it, so is killing, stealing and all those lovely things. But cursing.... cursing is NOT allowed. it is evil and, oh-so insulting.


(this thread should perhaps be moved to the water cooler).

[zasanya]

[quote name='mike777' date='Jun 29 2008, 11:42 PM'][quote name='matmat' date='Jun 29 2008, 10:42 PM'] [quote name='Elianna' date='Jun 29 2008, 09:06 PM'] I agree with Jillybean in that I think that this language should not be acceptable public language, but I don't know that anything can be done about it.  It's the way people talk nowadays. 

I can't even get my students (at a religious girl's school) not to swear in the hallways, I doubt that you could force adults not to swear, especially when they're not typing out the word, they're using abreviations.

Since I saw this post, I was thinking about this subject.  I was brought up that it is unacceptable to use certain words/expressions in public, and that those who do are breaking the rules intentionally, for attention. 

I doubt that we can ever go back to the previous state, and wonder what a future generation will do when they can't shock their parents by their language. [/QUOTE]
as it might be obvious from my earlier post, this sort of language doesn't really bother me.

I find it sort of amusing that people get all pissy about the use of the f-bomb or some other curseword, and are not insulted by various other social faux pas.

I would greatly prefer a family language forum site where children could be directed too but agree that most posters seem to prefer a more adult language site.
[/QUOTE]
I am not really surprised or shocked when children use such language.I presume they are immature and/or do not have the vocabulary to express themselves.I resnt it however when supposedly mature adults who have the vocabulary to express themselves use the F word.

[P_Marlowe]

jdonn, on Jun 29 2008, 10:54 PM, said:

The abbreviation offends you, but you typed out the word itself which most of us never do. I just don't understand you.

She wanted to discuss the matter, hard to do, if you cant use
the abbreviation / spelling it out, and just because she has
spelled it out, does not mean she had no problems with
spelling it out.

For whats it worth, for me, it is certainly not the problem, if
the whole comes up one or two times, but that has changed
a little bit, and one should be careful that it does not get out
of control.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[matmat]

zasanya, on Jun 30 2008, 01:51 AM, said:

I am not really surprised or shocked when children use such language.I presume they are immature and/or do not have the vocabulary to express themselves.I resnt it however when supposedly mature adults who have the vocabulary to express themselves use the F word.

why?

i really don't see why people have such fragile ears... why does someone using the F word offend you so much? can you explain?

[the hog]

matmat, on Jun 30 2008, 01:59 PM, said:

zasanya, on Jun 30 2008, 01:51 AM, said:

I am not really surprised or shocked when children use such language.I presume they are immature and/or do not have the vocabulary to express themselves.I resnt it however when supposedly mature adults who have the vocabulary to express themselves use the F word.

why?

i really don't see why people have such fragile ears... why does someone using the F word offend you so much? can you explain?

This is a particularly silly post. If something offends you, it offends you. End of story. Why are something things frowned upon in certain religions or cultures and not in others? Basically because of the way in which you have been brought up and imbued with a certain sense of moral values.

Personally I don't find it offensive apart from when someone uses terms like this to be abusive. However then it usually just indicates an extremely limited vocabulary and a basic lack of intelligence.

When someone asks you to stop using terms like this in an open forum to continue to do is just bad manners. However I agree it that should be the moderators who are the arbiters of good taste. They appear to have let standards lapse considerably of late.

[zasanya]

jillybean2, on Jun 29 2008, 06:48 PM, said:

......
'''' let me ask you a question, would you use this language at dinner with your parents and grandmother or at a meeting with a new paying client?
...........
Oh and why do I find the word offensive?

It is what it is, swear words, expletives, vulgarities designed to shock, offend and insult. There is usually a sexist connotation, derogatory to women or female body parts, I doubt that I need to give any examples.

Matmat,I think Jillybean2 has already answered that question.
I agree with your assertion that lying,cheating,deliberately inflicting physical assaults are more reprehensible acts.I protest against them also.

[zasanya]

The_Hog, on Jun 30 2008, 02:26 AM, said:

matmat, on Jun 30 2008, 01:59 PM, said:

zasanya, on Jun 30 2008, 01:51 AM, said:

I am not really surprised or shocked when children use such language.I presume they are immature and/or do not have the vocabulary to express themselves.I resnt it however when supposedly mature adults who have the vocabulary to express themselves use the F word.

why?

i really don't see why people have such fragile ears... why does someone using the F word offend you so much? can you explain?

This is a particularly silly post.
....

Forgive meThe Hog, but I find this sentence as offensive as the F word.Couldnt you just have said "I differ from you" or something to that effect?
Maybe Matmat is right and I have fragile ears.