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#21 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2008-August-27, 06:23

kenrexford, on Jun 27 2008, 05:16 AM, said:

That is, unless Opener really should not have opened 1NT.
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BTW -- I like a one-under super-accept to show THAT hand, actually.

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Posted 2008-August-27, 06:46

I've seen hands that overcall 1NT and then super-accept a transfer into game, but never an opening 1NT.
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Posted 2008-August-27, 07:53

If, having opened 1NT, you are tempted to jump to game opposite a transfer, then you made the wrong opening bid.
Anyway, with the given hand, I pass. 23 counts with 9 card fits often make game, but one of ye needs some shape. This hand is too flat.

I would pass at all forms of scoring and colours.
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Posted 2008-August-27, 09:18

Pass.

Since you are playing MP, I think this should be
more or less clear cut.

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Posted 2008-August-27, 09:24

gnasher, on Jun 26 2008, 05:33 AM, said:

I'd pass. This is still a balanced six-count. I found it quite hard to construct hands where game is good, unless I make my ♦J into a trick.

(I know, bringing back an old comment, but since the thread has been revived...)

I think it's extremely easy to find such hands. Give partner a doubleton in either red suit. The answers here shock me, I would bid game without thinking hard. I find some hands that are cold and a TON with fair play.
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Posted 2008-August-27, 09:24

kenrexford, on Jun 26 2008, 02:24 PM, said:

pclayton, on Jun 26 2008, 12:59 PM, said:

Can a 1N opening ever insist on game opposite a simple transfer?

Sure.

♠KQ10xx ♥xx ♦AK109 ♣Ax, if you would open 1NT.

♠A109x ♥xx ♦AKJ10x ♣Ax

Stuff like that.

If a hand does not exist where one would force game, then Responder has no problem.

Anyone who opens 1N 15-17 with either of these hands is an idiot.... note that the OP stated that partner was a good player... not an idiot :)
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Posted 2008-August-27, 09:54

gwnn, on Aug 27 2008, 07:23 AM, said:

kenrexford, on Jun 27 2008, 05:16 AM, said:

That is, unless Opener really should not have opened 1NT.
(...)
BTW -- I like a one-under super-accept to show THAT hand, actually.

Wow you have bids in your system that say "sorry dude I misbid" ?

Well, bids that say, "Sorry, pard, I took a wild ass position."

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Anyone who opens 1N 15-17 with either of these hands is an idiot.... note that the OP stated that partner was a good player... not an idiot


True. That would be an idiot opening, either one. However, good players sometimes make idiot decisions. If a good player makes an idiot decision early on, it is on him to correct that later.
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Posted 2008-August-29, 05:47

It's been a while. I think I passed at the table and there were exactly 9 tricks.
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Posted 2008-August-29, 07:57

Pass at pairs, game at imps sure looks sensible to me.
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Posted 2008-August-29, 12:54

pclayton, on Jun 26 2008, 07:59 PM, said:

kenrexford, on Jun 26 2008, 09:40 AM, said:

pclayton, on Jun 26 2008, 10:53 AM, said:

I pass too, although it helps to know what kind of super accepts you play. If pard had a doubleton heart, I might want to go on.

This is the kind of game where you might make if pard isn't too strong in spades. ♠AKQx is very bad.

You need seven covers. A doubleton can provide one, meaning that you now need six. Ace-fourth in trumps probably is two covers also, so now you need four additional covers. A trick source might provide some additional covers somewhere as well.

But, won't partner insist with that massive of a hand? I mean, if partner can look at his hand and realize that he has seven potential covers opposite a flat 5332, shouldn't he re-assess and bid something like 3NT or 4♠ as his "super-acceptance?" Or, make up a super-acceptance below 3♠ planning to accept any whisper bid at all?

Can a 1N opening ever insist on game opposite a simple transfer?

If I had somehow agreed to always open 1nt with 5-card majors without good interiors, and held:

♠AQ10
♥65432
♦AK10
♣Ax

I just might do it at red, Imps.
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Posted 2008-August-29, 13:42

The title of this thread is "Close call." I used to play with a very nice lady by the name of Pat Close. She was a sound player for the most part, but every so often she would make a bid or take an action that was more than a little out there - for example, and in keeping with the discussion in this thread, bidding game over a 2 level transfer after a 1NT opening (1NT - 2♦ - 4♥).

I used to refer to these as "Close calls."
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Posted 2008-August-30, 09:13

OleBerg, on Aug 29 2008, 07:54 PM, said:

If I had somehow agreed to always open 1nt with 5-card majors without good interiors, and held:

♠AQ10
♥65432
♦AK10
♣Ax

I just might do it at red, Imps.

That's still not a1NT opening unless playing 16-18
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Posted 2008-August-30, 10:43

FrancesHinden, on Aug 30 2008, 05:13 PM, said:

OleBerg, on Aug 29 2008, 07:54 PM, said:

If I had somehow agreed to always open 1nt with 5-card majors without good interiors, and held:

♠AQ10
♥65432
♦AK10
♣Ax

I just might do it at red, Imps.

That's still not a1NT opening unless playing 16-18

You're probably right. (I've been playing 12-14 for 20 years.)

Still, if I had accepted to open 1nt with a 5-card major, I might also have accepted to adhere strictly to my nt-range.
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Posted 2008-August-30, 10:47

I might probably pass, but would be somewhat tempted to try 3N.
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