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What is 5C? 1D p 1H p; 4C p 5C

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Posted 2008-June-24, 03:54

Two very good players (one world-class, one wannabe expert), but occassional partnership, playing 2/1 with a variety of common add-ons have this auction:

1D p 1H p
4C p 5C

1) What is 5C?

2) Would it make a difference if the bid was made by one or the other?
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Posted 2008-June-24, 03:59

A cuebid showing the ace, as well as denying a first or second round control in diamonds or spades. And since it bypasses 4H it must show a pretty good hand, so I'd expect good trumps.

Responder could have bid 4D as "last train".

I don't understand your second question. Are you asking if 5C would have a different meaning depending on whether the stronger or weaker player bids it? If so, no.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-June-24, 04:35

A cue bid, as described by Han.

An uncommon but sensible add-on is to use it as Inclusion Keycard. That is, it asks for keycards, but says that a void should be treated as an ace. With this arrangement, you can do without those horrible space-consuming jump responses to 4NT, and you get to play a convention whose acronym is pronounced "ick".
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Posted 2008-June-24, 08:40

I like inclusion keycards. The name I mean.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-June-24, 10:26

han, on Jun 24 2008, 06:40 AM, said:

I like inclusion keycards. The name I mean.

I don't like inclusive conventions. I think conventions should be heavily secured and you are forced to show credentials at the door.

I think its very unfair to those that have paid to attend.
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Posted 2008-June-24, 10:59

gnasher, on Jun 24 2008, 05:35 AM, said:

A cue bid, as described by Han.

An uncommon but sensible add-on is to use it as Inclusion Keycard. That is, it asks for keycards, but says that a void should be treated as an ace. With this arrangement, you can do without those horrible space-consuming jump responses to 4NT, and you get to play a convention whose acronym is pronounced "ick".

Cunning idea Gnasher!
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