[gwnn]

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all white imps, you deal yourself this weak 2, or not. is it a weak 2? what would change its category?

[655321]

No, this is a 3♥ opening for me.

[Mbodell]

For me this is too weak. I'd do it if you made it favorable and made one of the small ♥ into the J♥.

[mikeh]

655321, on Jun 18 2008, 05:45 PM, said:

No, this is a 3♥ opening for me.

you have a death wish

[mikeh]

I learned, a long time ago, that when you hold nothing, the best approach is to say nothing.

Now, obviously there are exceptions to every rule. White v red, especially in 3rd seat, most bets are off. But to inflict a 1st seat, equal heat, weak two or a 3-level preempt on partner and teammates is the worst kind of 'leave it all to me, folks, I will win (or lose) this match all by myself'. I'd love to play against someone who bid like this, especially in a long match.

Seriously: just how is partner to bid when he has a good hand if your preempts can be this shitty? How can he calculate how high to save if your preempts can be this trickless?


If you want to open, check your convention card to see if you play psyches, and open 1♥.. at least that way you have a chance that the logic of the auction will let partner work out what's going on.

[mike777]

gwnn, on Jun 18 2008, 05:44 PM, said:

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all white imps, you deal yourself this weak 2, or not. is it a weak 2? what would change its category?

I pass

Add two Aces and Roth may open a weak two bid.

[Echognome]

mikeh, on Jun 18 2008, 03:50 PM, said:

I learned, a long time ago, that when you hold nothing, the best approach is to say nothing.

Now, obviously there are exceptions to every rule. White v red, especially in 3rd seat, most bets are off. But to inflict a 1st seat, equal heat, weak two or a 3-level preempt on partner and teammates is the worst kind of 'leave it all to me, folks, I will win (or lose) this match all by myself'. I'd love to play against someone who bid like this, especially in a long match.

Seriously: just how is partner to bid when he has a good hand if your preempts can be this shitty? How can he calculate how high to save if your preempts can be this trickless?


If you want to open, check your convention card to see if you play psyches, and open 1♥.. at least that way you have a chance that the logic of the auction will let partner work out what's going on.

I agree with most of this, but sometimes it's a style issue as well. I played in a partnership several years back where my partner's idea of a preempt was 0-5 (noted on the convention card, disclosed, and alerted to opponents when bid). I agree that the style is "unsound", but it's certainly not masterminding. As partner I knew that I couldn't move unless I held a 20 count myself. Note that I no longer play such an aggressive style, but I don't think it's impossible to judge as long as it's part of your agreements.

[mikeh]

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I agree with most of this, but sometimes it's a style issue as well.  I played in a partnership several years back where my partner's idea of a preempt was 0-5 (noted on the convention card, disclosed, and alerted to opponents when bid).  I agree that the style is "unsound", but it's certainly not masterminding.

Fair enough, but it seemed clear that the OP isn't playing that agreed style.. if he were, he wouldn't be posing the question. Personally, I have recently been playing, with some success, a multi 2♦ that has a range of 3-7 hcp, weak 2 in a major. But I wouldn't open a 3 count playing with any other partner, because that would be masterminding in those partnerships.

[rogerclee]

Pass. I would probably overcall 2♥ though over 1m.

[andy_h]

it's a partnership agreement/style issue. It's a no for me though.

[Hanoi5]

♥J instead of ♥3. That'll make it for me, though I might pass it sometimes.

[NickRW]

I might open it with a weak 2 w/r in 3rd seat. Otherwise it has nowhere near enough playing strength for my taste.

Nick

[Echognome]

mikeh, on Jun 18 2008, 04:00 PM, said:

Fair enough, but it seemed clear that the OP isn't playing that agreed style.. if he were, he wouldn't be posing the question.

I take your point, but at the same time if the question is "playing a preempting style where our range is 5-9 hcp (or 6-10 or whatever), would you open this 2♥?" then that seems like a non question either.

It'd be like me saying "You hold Axx KQxx Qxx QTx and are playing a 15-17 NT. Do you open 1NT?"

Anyway, I'm sure we're both in agreement on this particular matter!

[manudude03]

would open 3rd seat w/r or w/w (though I don't get punished enough for making such bids)

[the hog]

Clear pass for me.

[kenrexford]

mikeh, on Jun 18 2008, 06:50 PM, said:

If you want to open, check your convention card to see if you play psyches, and open 1♥.. at least that way you have a chance that the logic of the auction will let partner work out what's going on.

LOL! I was thinking this exact same thing -- that a 2♥ opening is absurd but that a 1♥ call might make sense as, strangely, the easier to read!

[glen]

Clear 1NT. Pass the 2♥ transfer. Combine with the 1NT w/ singleton thread.

[pclayton]

Maybe we should open 1N and pass pard's 2H transfer.

You must fight the temptation to bid on hands like this. Pard isnt in on the joke and wont be happy. My pard pulled this on me in a KO a few months ago and I bid 3N on a 20 count. I was pretty pissed.

Sometimes you get a big win when pard can bounce but frequently you just randomize things when pard has a 4144 16 count and passes.

[Rossoneri]

Too weak for me, even at white vs red, though I may take a second look before passing in this case.