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What is your call? Is there game if partner has 2 aces and a couple of 10's?
(sorry Misiry call should be 3D, no way to edit poll)
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Posted 2008-June-11, 14:35
What is your call? Is there game if partner has 2 aces and a couple of 10's?
(sorry Misiry call should be 3D, no way to edit poll)
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Posted 2008-June-11, 14:42
3D misiry wtp?
In all seriousness, this is an easy 4H bid to me. Missing a slam is possible but I much prefer the gains of preempting.
In all seriousness, this is an easy 4H bid to me. Missing a slam is possible but I much prefer the gains of preempting.
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Posted 2008-June-11, 14:42
4♥? What else?
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Posted 2008-June-11, 15:10
4♥ at these colors, np
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Posted 2008-June-11, 15:18
Favorable... easy 4♥
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Posted 2008-June-11, 15:40
4♥
easy call
easy call
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Posted 2008-June-11, 16:14
And to think I bid 3♥ with this.
I know, losers, etc. But this is what my partner expects from my 3♥ call, except the QJ of diamonds. I don't consider the QJ to be worth enough to raise this to a 4♥ call, since it will confuse partner if he has to decide whether to bid 5 over 4 or try for slam.
I know, losers, etc. But this is what my partner expects from my 3♥ call, except the QJ of diamonds. I don't consider the QJ to be worth enough to raise this to a 4♥ call, since it will confuse partner if he has to decide whether to bid 5 over 4 or try for slam.
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Posted 2008-June-11, 16:16
4♥.
I was chicken-***** for about a day and a half.
I was chicken-***** for about a day and a half.
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Posted 2008-June-11, 16:17
Strange - when I first checked the results there were 3 replies saying 4 hearts and 3 votes for 3 hearts.... Go figure!
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Posted 2008-June-11, 17:46
I bid 3♥ because I am not convinced that EW have an obvious game.
The 3 level is high enough that they need something to bid on other than a 4441 11 HCP hand.
There are 31 missing HCP, if pard has a random 9 count the opps may lose a dime, and a few else where in 4♠.
3♥ has a good chance of making. 4♥ does not. But neither does 4♠ or 4 of a minor.
Do we know what the opponents are likely to do? Do they frequently bid over preempts? Rather than penalty double us? In that case there may be a case for 4♥ because the opps will bid on, thinking we are stealing, and they may well go down, maybe doubled.
Pard might have 10 useful HCP, such as KJxx in spades behind LHO.
The 3 level is high enough that they need something to bid on other than a 4441 11 HCP hand.
There are 31 missing HCP, if pard has a random 9 count the opps may lose a dime, and a few else where in 4♠.
3♥ has a good chance of making. 4♥ does not. But neither does 4♠ or 4 of a minor.
Do we know what the opponents are likely to do? Do they frequently bid over preempts? Rather than penalty double us? In that case there may be a case for 4♥ because the opps will bid on, thinking we are stealing, and they may well go down, maybe doubled.
Pard might have 10 useful HCP, such as KJxx in spades behind LHO.
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Posted 2008-June-11, 17:49
4♥ WTP
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-June-11, 18:47
pclayton, on Jun 11 2008, 05:16 PM, said:
4♥.
I was chicken-***** for about a day and a half.
I was chicken-***** for about a day and a half.
Yes..the colors look right for 4♥
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Posted 2008-June-11, 19:24
neilkaz, on Jun 11 2008, 07:47 PM, said:
pclayton, on Jun 11 2008, 05:16 PM, said:
4♥.
I was chicken-***** for about a day and a half.
I was chicken-***** for about a day and a half.
Yes..the colors look right for 4♥
Not any day and a half that I have seen. 4♥ naturally.
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Posted 2008-June-11, 19:29
This is a very easy 4H opening for me.
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Posted 2008-June-11, 19:30
sfbp, on Jun 11 2008, 05:17 PM, said:
Strange - when I first checked the results there were 3 replies saying 4 hearts and 3 votes for 3 hearts.... Go figure!
A lot of people don't answer the polls and just post in the thread instead.
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Posted 2008-June-11, 19:31
Jlall, on Jun 11 2008, 08:30 PM, said:
sfbp, on Jun 11 2008, 05:17 PM, said:
Strange - when I first checked the results there were 3 replies saying 4 hearts and 3 votes for 3 hearts.... Go figure!
A lot of people don't answer the polls and just post in the thread instead.
Some lie in the polls and then tell the truth in the posts, or vice-versa.
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Posted 2008-June-11, 20:54
I'd bid 3♥, as a conservative preempter.
One question for the 4♥ bidders: would you bid 4♥ if the diamonds were xxx also?
It would seem weird if the values outside the suit somehow make this hand a better preempt. Of course, it is a reasonable style to normally preempt 4♥ at white/red with a decent seven card heart suit regardless of the rest of the hand (and then presumably 3♥ is six and 2♥ is five at these colors). But that's not really my style.
One question for the 4♥ bidders: would you bid 4♥ if the diamonds were xxx also?
It would seem weird if the values outside the suit somehow make this hand a better preempt. Of course, it is a reasonable style to normally preempt 4♥ at white/red with a decent seven card heart suit regardless of the rest of the hand (and then presumably 3♥ is six and 2♥ is five at these colors). But that's not really my style.
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Posted 2008-June-11, 21:46
awm, on Jun 11 2008, 09:54 PM, said:
I'd bid 3♥, as a conservative preempter.
One question for the 4♥ bidders: would you bid 4♥ if the diamonds were xxx also?
It would seem weird if the values outside the suit somehow make this hand a better preempt. Of course, it is a reasonable style to normally preempt 4♥ at white/red with a decent seven card heart suit regardless of the rest of the hand (and then presumably 3♥ is six and 2♥ is five at these colors). But that's not really my style.
One question for the 4♥ bidders: would you bid 4♥ if the diamonds were xxx also?
It would seem weird if the values outside the suit somehow make this hand a better preempt. Of course, it is a reasonable style to normally preempt 4♥ at white/red with a decent seven card heart suit regardless of the rest of the hand (and then presumably 3♥ is six and 2♥ is five at these colors). But that's not really my style.
A perhaps as interesting question is if the major suits were reversed would you open 3♠ or 4♠? (or something else).
The problem with 3♥ for me, is at these colors, there are way too many hands that we can make 4♥ on which partner would pass, because my 3 level preempts at this vul can be quite horrid. Of course, if you are a "sound" preempter, then this fear goes away.
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Posted 2008-June-11, 21:59
awm, on Jun 11 2008, 09:54 PM, said:
I'd bid 3♥, as a conservative preempter.
One question for the 4♥ bidders: would you bid 4♥ if the diamonds were xxx also?
It would seem weird if the values outside the suit somehow make this hand a better preempt. Of course, it is a reasonable style to normally preempt 4♥ at white/red with a decent seven card heart suit regardless of the rest of the hand (and then presumably 3♥ is six and 2♥ is five at these colors). But that's not really my style.
One question for the 4♥ bidders: would you bid 4♥ if the diamonds were xxx also?
It would seem weird if the values outside the suit somehow make this hand a better preempt. Of course, it is a reasonable style to normally preempt 4♥ at white/red with a decent seven card heart suit regardless of the rest of the hand (and then presumably 3♥ is six and 2♥ is five at these colors). But that's not really my style.
Why is it weird if 1 trick more makes you more likely to preempt 1 more level? It is weird to me that you think that's weird!
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Posted 2008-June-11, 22:08
awm, on Jun 11 2008, 08:54 PM, said:
I'd bid 3♥, as a conservative preempter.
One question for the 4♥ bidders: would you bid 4♥ if the diamonds were xxx also?
It would seem weird if the values outside the suit somehow make this hand a better preempt. Of course, it is a reasonable style to normally preempt 4♥ at white/red with a decent seven card heart suit regardless of the rest of the hand (and then presumably 3♥ is six and 2♥ is five at these colors). But that's not really my style.
One question for the 4♥ bidders: would you bid 4♥ if the diamonds were xxx also?
It would seem weird if the values outside the suit somehow make this hand a better preempt. Of course, it is a reasonable style to normally preempt 4♥ at white/red with a decent seven card heart suit regardless of the rest of the hand (and then presumably 3♥ is six and 2♥ is five at these colors). But that's not really my style.
Normally when I have a 7-card suit I don't have KQJ9.
QJx isn't really that defensive as additional values, it is not like Qxx which takes a trick much more often on defense than while declaring.
Also, 4M preempts are a little different to other preempts - the bonus for making them is a little bigger than for making other preempt bids in my experience. Hence some additional strength for a 4M bid can be quite useful.
More to the point, aren't you afraid of +170 or +200 when you open this hand 3M? (And if anybody claims he promises that much when opening 3M at favorable, then he is either lying, or having selective memory, or is playing a losing style.)
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