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support your partner and penalize juniors the key to improve your bridge

Poll: what will it be now? (39 member(s) have cast votes)

what will it be now?

  1. support partner (37 votes [94.87%])

    Percentage of vote: 94.87%

  2. penalize juniors (2 votes [5.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.13%

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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2008-June-15, 14:29

JT
xxx
QTxx
KJ8x

p-1♥-(2♣)-?

all red IMPS. RHO is a crazy junior. LHO likes to open light.
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Posted 2008-June-15, 14:34

Easy 2H. Meckstroth wrote in his book something to the effect of "Don't trap pass at the 2 level with 4 trumps."

Definitely don't do it when you have 3 card support for partner and a bad hand.
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Posted 2008-June-15, 14:43

Agree with 2H.
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Posted 2008-June-15, 15:14

I actually think this is a close decision. My hand is extremely defensive, and if partner actually has a good hand, I would rather play 2♣x than declare 4♥. If he has a bad hand, I am less comfortable about this, but I think -380 will be quite rare (maybe I am underestimating this possibility?), and -180 is not really that bad, especially since I do not think 2♥ is making.

However, if partner does something other than pass or double, I will really wish I had bid 2♥.

I don't know, the normal action definitely seems to be 2♥, but I am strangely attracted to pass.
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Posted 2008-June-15, 15:15

Maybe it is relevant that LHO is a fake expert who has an obsession with "improving" contracts into even worse disasters :D
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Posted 2008-June-15, 15:27

Can't I do both? Support partner on this round and penalise the juniors on the next? Or is only one of them a junior?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-June-15, 15:38

I thought the same as Andy, support now and we may still have the opportunity to penalize them next round.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-June-15, 17:22

gnasher, on Jun 15 2008, 01:27 PM, said:

Can't I do both? Support partner on this round and penalise the juniors on the next? Or is only one of them a junior?

Or you can pass and double 3♣.

I don't see how a 2♥ call is going to significantly induce them to 3♣ and a pass won't.

I held this hand btw.
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Posted 2008-June-15, 18:11

crazy is relative. I found myself making such an overcall on xx xxx xxx KJxxx a couple of weeks ago (yes I'm a junior- and at least it was fav vul :D). However, with trying to penalise this just seems too far, as well as being difficult to show your hand if partner doesn't double for you.
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Posted 2008-June-15, 20:26

Can I pass now, and bid 2♥ if partner doubles? Or is that too stupid for words?

I dunno. It's a 7 count, but it's not a 7 count I'm proud of.

My real worry is that it'll go p-1♥-(2♣)-P-(2♠)-P-(P)
After all, sounds to me like two guys don't have spades, and I don't have spades, so....

I guess I'd better bid 2♥ after all.
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Posted 2008-June-16, 08:33

gwnn, on Jun 15 2008, 03:29 PM, said:

all red IMPS. RHO is a crazy junior. LHO likes to open light.
♠ JT ♥ xxx ♦ QTxx ♣ KJ8x
p-1♥-(2♣)-?

IMO 2♥ = 10, _P = 8.
The notorious schismatic, Andrew Robson :) responsible for spreading the dreaded fit-jump heresy :) commands his Acolytes to "Support with support" so we have no real choice :)
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Posted 2008-June-16, 08:59

2♥. I would trap pass if you moved a small heart to spades.
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Posted 2008-June-16, 10:34

gwnn, on Jun 15 2008, 03:29 PM, said:

JT
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QTxx
KJ8x

p-1♥-(2♣)-?

all red IMPS. RHO is a crazy junior. LHO likes to open light.

I prefer to play tentative penalty doubles (rather than negative doubles) on this auction, and I would not double with this hand because it has two flaws: two many cards in partner's suit and not enough general strength.

Playing negative doubles it seems even less like I should play for penalties, when partner reopens with a double he will be short in clubs, not always a singleton, but when we are able to convert, trumps will be 4-1 more often than 4-2.
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Posted 2008-June-16, 11:35

The only game I play at the table is bridge, so I would bid 2H.
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Posted 2008-June-16, 12:48

The shown hand was my partners. I would bid 2♥ with that hand.
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