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Defend 10-12 NT

#41 User is offline   ASkolnick 

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Posted 2008-June-20, 13:32

As strange as it sounds, we play both (transfers and non-transfers, known as two way transfers) over our weak NT system:

For the most part (with one big exception) is either a transfer to drop dead in or natural and at least Inv+ values. So

1N-P-
2C Stayman
2D This one is overloaded. Responder bids 2H.
a) Drop dead in hearts or (Pass)
:) invitational in spades or (2S)
c) Invitational in clubs or (3C)
d) Weak or Strong with both minors (2N, bids cheapest suit and you move with big minor)
2H shows
a) Drop dead in spades
B) Hearts Invitational 5 cards(rebid 2N)
c) Hearts and another (could just be hearts and slam interest) game forcing (anything else)
2S Spades and another. Forcing
2N Shows either clubs or 6 card suit Inv
3C Forced
3X 6 card suit and Invitational
3C Shows Diamonds or Clubs and another Forcing
3D
3X This is another.

I have found this gets everything in. The one disadvantage is super-acceptance with 4. We have come up with ways to do it, but everyone kept forgetting so we scrapped it.
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Posted 2008-June-20, 14:16

Two-way transfers still give the opponents that extra space. They can double or bid the transferred to suit, or wait until opener rebids and the auction gets back to them. They can't do all that if 1N-2H is natural and non-forcing.
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Posted 2008-June-21, 03:19

TimG, on Jun 20 2008, 03:16 PM, said:

Two-way transfers still give the opponents that extra space.  They can double or bid the transferred to suit, or wait until opener rebids and the auction gets back to them.  They can't do all that if 1N-2H is natural and non-forcing.

I take your point, but transfers have a hidden advantage. Look at these auctions:

NATURAL
BAL
Spoiler
LHO
Spoiler
♥ length
Spoiler
RHO
1NT
Spoiler
Pass
Spoiler
2♥
Spoiler
Pass
Pass
Spoiler
Dbl*
Spoiler
Pass
Spoiler
??

*Take out

and

TRANSFER
BAL
Spoiler
LHO
Spoiler
♥ length
Spoiler
RHO
1NT
Spoiler
Pass
Spoiler
2♦*
Spoiler
Pass
2♥
Spoiler
Pass**
Spoiler
Pass
Spoiler
Dbl***
Pass
Spoiler
??

* Transfer
** No balancing double in a live auction
*** Takeout

Because of the difference in the tempo of the auctions, it is much more difficult to make a balancing takeout double with the hand in front of the heart length and a penalty pass behind the trump length when transfers are used.

When the transfer is completed and 2♥ is going to be passed out, one can certainly balance, but it is hard to pass for penalties when you have your trump length under their trump length. On the natural auction, it is easy to pass for penalties when you will have your trump length behind their trump length.

Or to put it differently:
When you are in a position where a penalty double would be profitable ("points" behind the balanced hand, trumps behind the trump hand), you will get to double easily on the natural auction whereas it is very difficult to do that on the transfer auction.
If however, you are in the position that a penalty double is less likely to succeed ("points" in front of the balanced hand, trumps in front of the trump hand) then it is easier to double for penalties on the transfer auction. But then you don't want to double.

Thus, it is easier to get into 2♥ doubled when you play natural sign-offs than when you play transfers.

On top of that, the most common meaning of a double of a transfer is: "Partner, please lead this suit." I haven't seen anyone yet that plays it as "I want to penalize them in their suit.". Neither have I seen anyone yet that plays 1NT-P-2♦-P; 2♥-P-P-Dbl as penalty (even if that would certainly be playable).

So, the drawback of transfers is that you give opponents a better opportunity to show a lead or come into the bidding. But you are not giving them a better opportunity of doubling 2♥ for penalties. (Instead you are reducing that possibility.)

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Posted 2008-June-22, 21:54

:) Back in the early '90's I played lots of the Kamikazi NT with one of my pards after coming across Meckwell using it at a little sectional in Michigan. It was fun to play, and Marshall Miles published a good system for responding to it.

Imho, having played about a thousand hands using it, the best system in defense of it is to play natural overcalls - pretend it is a one spade opener - with a double showing 12+ balanced. Tell partner to pass with most 9+ HCP balanced hands. Otherwise, have him respond as if YOU opened 1NT.

Playing a defensive system designed to cope with a strong or intermediate range 1NT opener seems like a bad idea to me. You want to be aggressive and try to get penalties when you can.

You need to know what you are doing after the doubling starts, though. I once saw a +1280 in both rooms for a push at a GNT one afternoon in Jackson, Mississippi. I was not involved.
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