[zzmiy]

Scoring: IMP

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You play simple 2/1 GF system. How would you bid this?

[MikeRJ]

1S-2D
2S-2NT
3S-4C
4H-5S
6S

may be a bit contrived? Playing a style where a 3S rebid can be a 1 loser suit I think Norths spades good enough to accept.

Mike

[kenrexford]

Same bids up to a point.

1♠-2♣
2♠-2NT
3♠-4♣(cue)

At this point, I think North has enough info to launch RKCB. Otherwise, Mike RJ's continuation is fine.

[helene_t]

I thought a 6♠ opening shows exactly this North hand in your system, Ken?

[pclayton]

MikeRJ, on Jun 9 2008, 03:35 AM, said:

1S-2D
2S-2NT
3S-4C
4H-5S
6S

may be a bit contrived? Playing a style where a 3S rebid can be a 1 loser suit I think Norths spades good enough to accept.

Mike

Not at all contrived, but I think North might keycard over 4♥.

[Apollo81]

After 2NT I would rebid 3♣ as North playing a style where 2♠ shows 6; then it might go:

1♠-2♦
2♠-2N
3♣-3♦
3♠-4♣
4♥-4♠
4NT-etc

[Flame]

1♠-2♦
2♠-2NT
3♣-3♥* looking for best game
3♠-4♣
4♥-4♠ cues 4S suppose to show an honor in S but maye last train kind of bid
4NT- rkcb for C
6♣ or maybe 6S

[ArtK78]

As should be clear, the whole point of this hand is that you would rather be in 6♠ than in 6♣. In 6♠, your only loser is the ♦A as long as spades break. In 6♣ you have to find the ♣Q and handle any possible bad club breaks. 6♠ is a better contract than 6♣.

If, in the course of the bidding, you uncover the 4-4 club fit, you may unwisely decide that it is better to play in clubs, or stop short of slam when and if you discover that an ace and the trump queen are missing.

[kenrexford]

helene_t, on Jun 9 2008, 07:32 AM, said:

I thought a 6♠ opening shows exactly this North hand in your system, Ken?

That's in the older version of Xango. The newer version has 6♠ as pass-or-correct.

[kenrexford]

Jlall, on Jun 9 2008, 04:05 PM, said:

Agree with 1S 2D 2S 2N 3S 4C 4N answer 6S, but it does seem poor never to find the club fit since if the spade queen was the CQ...

If the spade Queen was the club Queen, Responder would have:

♠x ♥QJx ♦KQJ10x ♣AQ10x

I think that's a 3♣ call after 2♠.

[zzmiy]

Thanks for the answers. There where 2 points I wanted to know -
1) Is everyone bids slam with these hands?
and
2) Which slam is the best to bid.

Unluckily at the table the only making slam was 6♣( on a Q♣ guess) as spades were 4-1 and clubs - 2-3

[han]

Difficult hand, to get to the superior spade slam neither player has to bid 3C. I think 1S-2D-2S-2NT-3S is probably right but it isn't automatic. At least not for me.

The spade slam seems better than the club slam.

[P_Marlowe]

zzmiy, on Jun 10 2008, 04:46 AM, said:

Thanks for the answers. There where 2 points I wanted to know -
1) Is everyone bids slam with these hands?
and
2) Which slam is the best to bid.

Unluckily at the table the only making slam was 6♣( on a Q♣ guess) as spades were 4-1 and clubs - 2-3

#1 No.
As it is, I was thinking about the following start
1S - 2D
3S

After all 2S may just be a 5 carder depending on system,
if opener repeats bidding spades, responder still has no
clue about the 7 carder.
Add to this the fact that responder has only one key card,
reponder may simply sign off in 4S, and opener may think
the 3S bid was already a stretch.

#2 With the given cards 6S seems to be better.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mr1303]

4S P P P

[fromageGB]

2♣ (one of the options is a strong 2, less than GF)
... 2♥ (would not pass a weak 2 in diamonds)
2♠ (strong) - 3♦ (forcing natural)
3♠ - 4♣ (forcing natural)
4♦ (ace ask in clubs) - 4♥ (one ace of 5)
6♣

If spades break you probably won't need to find the club Q, so maybe 6♠ is the better contract.