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#1 User is offline   david_c 

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Posted 2008-May-23, 08:41

Scoring: MP

RHO opens 1♦ as dealer (better minor). What's your call?
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Posted 2008-May-23, 08:43

1H, I would give it a wtp but I know some people like to bid 2H. I think that is sick r/w and I think this is a wtp 1H.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 08:44

Pass with 1♥ being a close 2nd.

Opps don't have a fit in ♦, unlikely in ♥ and if they have a ♠ fit, the suit splits unfortunate for them. In such a nonfit situation I don't want to fool partner about my true defensive strength.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 08:59

1H with 1H being a close second. What's this crap about defensive strength?
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Posted 2008-May-23, 09:06

I offer money under the table to my opponents if they will please pass hands like this.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 09:11

I'll add another 1H wtp
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Posted 2008-May-23, 09:16

Dear David C,
Tell us your theorie.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-May-23, 09:18

Happy to agree with p to overcall this kind of hands but I don't do it opposite an unpassed p if overcall style is undiscussed. Maybe I should?
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Posted 2008-May-23, 09:21

Let me just say that if I was kibitzing you Helene and you passed with this hand I would strot over to another table. Hopefully more is happening over there.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-May-23, 09:21

Generally I don't overcall on hands like this, but I'd still bid 1H here.
(2H anything except r/w)
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Posted 2008-May-23, 09:24

OK, I bid 1♥ at the table, but wasn't sure that people would agree; anyway, the real problem is on the next round:

 -     -    1♦  1♥
Dbl  1♠   p   ?

Now what?
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Posted 2008-May-23, 09:36

1♥ clearcut. 2♥ now. There must be a part 3, right?
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Posted 2008-May-23, 09:37

david_c, on May 23 2008, 10:24 AM, said:

OK, I bid 1♥ at the table, but wasn't sure that people would agree; anyway, the real problem is on the next round:

 -     -    1♦  1♥
Dbl  1♠   p   ?

Now what?

Pass. (You didn't specify whether 1S is forcing or not so I will assume it's not).
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Posted 2008-May-23, 10:10

david_c, on May 23 2008, 07:24 AM, said:

OK, I bid 1♥ at the table, but wasn't sure that people would agree; anyway, the real problem is on the next round:

 -     -    1♦  1♥
Dbl  1♠   p   ?

Now what?

1♥ is clear, unless you just put me in the DeLorean and transported me back to 1958 where I would pass. 2♥ is for the Gilberts of the world.

Over 1♠ I would pass since we aren't doubled. And I rather doubt my RHO has enough length to double (would have done so already).
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Posted 2008-May-23, 16:39

david_c, on May 23 2008, 10:24 AM, said:

OK, I bid 1♥ at the table, but wasn't sure that people would agree; anyway, the real problem is on the next round:

 -     -    1♦  1♥
Dbl  1♠   p   ?

Now what?

Without the double, I play 1♠ as forcing so would have to choose between 2♣ and 2♥ (probably 2♥).

If 1♠ is non-forcing I like pass now. But I don't know if I play 1♠ as forcing after the double. B)

What does the double show? If the double denies 4 card spades, then LHO must have clubs, and a 2♣ rebid is unlikely to work. If the double showed spades I might try a 2♣ rebid.

(Agree with 1♥WTP)
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Posted 2008-May-23, 16:39

I'd pass the first time, a cost of doing business. I give up on this overcall to gain in other auctions (IMO).

Having overcalled 1♥ (a style I don't mind that much), I also pass. And, I'm liking this development.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 16:50

Jlall, on May 23 2008, 07:37 AM, said:

david_c, on May 23 2008, 10:24 AM, said:

OK, I bid 1♥ at the table, but wasn't sure that people would agree; anyway, the real problem is on the next round:

 -     -    1♦  1♥
Dbl  1♠   p   ?

Now what?

Pass. (You didn't specify whether 1S is forcing or not so I will assume it's not).

To all second round passers, we have gone over this many times (whether 1♠ is 4+ or 5+). Let's go the optimistic route and say it's 5+. We're vulnerable against not. So let's say the opponents cannot double us and let us play 1♠ undoubled. Aren't we worried that this is going to be a bad score?

I understand that bidding may lead to a worse score. But I think I would overcall 1♥ and see it through with 2♥.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 16:56

Let's see it the optimistic route and assume that the doubler showed 4 spades exactly. Let's also assume that opener would not pass with 4 spades himself. That measn partner must have at least 6 spades.

Do you really think that partner would bid 1S on 4 after the opponents have just shown spades?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-May-23, 17:13

han, on May 23 2008, 02:56 PM, said:

Let's see it the optimistic route and assume that the doubler showed 4 spades exactly. Let's also assume that opener would not pass with 4 spades himself. That measn partner must have at least 6 spades.

Do you really think that partner would bid 1S on 4 after the opponents have just shown spades?

Second time today I've misread the auction! This time I missed the double. Eek!
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Posted 2008-May-23, 17:41

The problem with 1♥, for me, is that it suggests more defensive strength than I actually have.

My overcalls might be up to about an 18-count; allowing them to also be as weak as this gives them an uncomfortably wide range for constructive purposes.

If the opponents get too high in a contested auction I like to be able to double them. If a 1♥ overcall might have no defensive tricks, it makes it harder for advancer to judge when to double.

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2008-May-23, 17:42

... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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