[elwood913]

What is the difference, if any, in a takeout doubler's rebid if his partner has made a free bid?

(1♣)-X-(p)-1♠/ (p)-2♠
I think shows something like 16-18.

How about:
(1♣)-X-(1♥)-1♠/ (p)-2♠
What does the 2♠ show here?

Do you want to bid more freely since pd has shown some values?
If so, how do your bids change in meaning?

Thanks,
Bill

[NickRW]

OK. I'll try an general terms sort of answer. In the second case you give, the free bid one, the doubler can bid pretty much bid as if they had opened the bidding and received a 1/1 reponse.

In the first case, doubler's partner is pretty much forced to bid with any yarborough lacking a trump stack, so doubler has to tread carefully, especially as partner would probably have bid 2♠ with the same sort of thing as he/she bid 1♠ in the first example. Essentially any bid from doubler shows something too good to have made a simple overcall with (whatever you think that is in your style, but a decent looking 16 is about the minimum I guess for most people)

It gets a bit more interesting where the auction goes
1♠-Dbl-Pass-?

Now, if you have 4 hearts you certainly think you're quite well placed, but jumping to 3 with a few worthwhile points can propell you a bit too high too often

Nick

[Bende]

elwood913, on May 23 2008, 12:49 AM, said:

What is the difference, if any, in a takeout doubler's rebid if his partner has made a free bid?

(1♣)-X-(p)-1♠/ (p)-2♠
I think shows something like 16-18.

How about:
(1♣)-X-(1♥)-1♠/ (p)-2♠
What does the 2♠ show here?

Do you want to bid more freely since pd has shown some values?
If so, how do your bids change in meaning?

Thanks,
Bill

In the first case, I think it shows something like 14-16 with a singleton and 15-17 with 4432. The second case is interesting. I suspect I would have about the same for a raise here, although perhaps slightly less.

[han]

This is what I play:

1. (1C) - Dbl - (p) - 1S
(p) - 2S

This shows extras and 4-card support, 14-16 with a singleton or 15-17 without sounds about right.

2. (1C) - Dbl - (p) - 1S
(2C) - 2S

I play that this does not show serious extra values. This is important to discuss. I think it is important to be able to raise in competitive auctions when you have an honest 4441 hand for example.

3. (1C) - Dbl - (1H) - 1S
(2H) - 2S

Here it is almost mandatory to raise with 4-card support. Partner has shown some values and honest spades so with real extras and 4-card support you can afford a higher bid.

[P_Marlowe]

#1 in the first auction the 2S promises add. strength,
but I would say 2S shows more something like 15-17.

#2 in the 2nd auction the 2S is weaker, the purpose
of the bid could be an invitation, but also an attempt
to keep them out of the bidding.
In this auction it is more likely that the points are
evenly distributed, and the 2S bid will tell partner that
the partnership has an 8 card fit.

With kind regards
Marlowe