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Go on?

Poll: Proceed? (31 member(s) have cast votes)

Proceed?

  1. Pass (19 votes [61.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 61.29%

  2. 5 clubs (1 votes [3.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.23%

  3. 5 diamonds (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 5 hearts (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 5 spades (2 votes [6.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.45%

  6. 6 spades (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Other (3 votes [9.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.68%

  8. Refuse to answer because I would never have preempted (6 votes [19.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.35%

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#1 User is offline   CSGibson 

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Posted 2008-May-22, 23:53

Scoring: MP

(P)-2♦-(P)-4♠,
(P)-?


Your hand just improved immensely. Do you go on? If so, how do you proceed?
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Posted 2008-May-23, 00:40

I definitely go on, because my first bid was such a terrible misdescription that partner would never investigate in the expectation I could have this good of a hand for slam. If I'm wrong it's my fault for the first bid, not the second.

Blackwood sounds good.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 02:47

Pass.

Once partner and I have preempted each other, it's too late for investigation.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 04:08

jdonn, on May 23 2008, 07:40 AM, said:

Blackwood sounds good.

I agree, partly because I want to see partner's reaction when I bid it.

Is there any risk that partner will misunderstand? He might reasonably wonder how a preempter could possibly bid Blackwood; I'd have to hope that he can't think of any other interpretation.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-May-23, 04:39

Could 4♠ be a splinter heading for the ♦ slam?
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Posted 2008-May-23, 04:55

Well, I wouldn't have opened 2D, but now I have I pass.
If I thought this was a pre-empt, then presumably partner knows I can have this hand for a pre-empt and could have made some form of forcing noise.

There's no reason why my hand can't be just enough to make game... wouldn't you bid 4S, at least partly as a pre-empt, looking at

KQJxxxxx
xx
x
xx

?
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Posted 2008-May-23, 05:00

FrancesHinden, on May 23 2008, 11:55 AM, said:

There's no reason why my hand can't be just enough to make game... wouldn't you bid 4S, at least partly as a pre-empt, looking at

KQJxxxxx
xx
x
xx

?

Maybe one of the opponents would have bid something?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-May-23, 05:07

I bid 5♠. I don't know what's right. But I don't like 4NT because I'm not sure I can place the contract once I know about pard's keycards... I also need pard to have a pretty good hand.

My second choice is just pass. But I disagree with opening this 2♦ in the first place, obviously.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 05:17

gnasher, on May 23 2008, 12:00 PM, said:

FrancesHinden, on May 23 2008, 11:55 AM, said:

There's no reason why my hand can't be just enough to make game... wouldn't you bid 4S, at least partly as a pre-empt, looking at

KQJxxxxx
xx
x
xx

?

Maybe one of the opponents would have bid something?

Another hand where I hadn't noticed RHO is a passed hand.

Well, maybe LHO has a stonking penalty double of diamonds
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Posted 2008-May-23, 05:18

If I were going to make a slam try I would prefer 5♣.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 05:28

Go on.

I agree that the five-level may not be secure, but the risk of missing a slam is to high.

We are highly unlikely to be ahead of the field, as we can expext almost everybody to be in 4♠.

I am so fortunate that my methods allow me to bid 4nt, showing excactly two aces. This way I can include partner in the decision of going to slam, or staying in 5.

If Blackwood was my method, I'd try a cue in 5♣ instead.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 05:53

FrancesHinden, on May 23 2008, 12:17 PM, said:

KQJxxxxx
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x
xx

[..]

Well, maybe LHO has a stonking penalty double of diamonds

Yes, that must be it: RHO has a 1=6=1=5 9-count, and LHO a 1=4=5=3 17-count. Isn't 5♠ a save against their 5♥?
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Posted 2008-May-23, 06:56

Pass, don't see how we can bid.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 07:04

I think that bidding over 4S automatically show.

3 trumps+2 keycard+stiff
or 1 keycard + pts and a void.

So it make sense to bid 4Nt when no void and to bid the void when you have 1. But this wanst discussed so ill keep it simple by bidding 4nt.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 07:57

Pass. Too much risk of turning a plus into a minus by bidding (or increasing the size of our minus - I have seen my partner's 4♠ bids before).

With a true monster hand, partner could have bid something other than 4♠. He knows that I could have this hand for my 2♦ opening.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 09:00

Agree with Frances: I wouldn't bid 2D but now I have to pass.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 09:04

Pass. Pd has a gazillion ways to investigate and never bothered. Why do I even think this is a problem?
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Posted 2008-May-23, 09:05

I'm a passer. If partner knows I can have this hand then it's up to him to find out.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 09:11

FrancesHinden, on May 23 2008, 05:55 AM, said:

wouldn't you bid 4S, at least partly as a pre-empt, looking at

KQJxxxxx
xx
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xx

?

Both vul at mps? Opposite a pass by one opponent, diamond preempt by partner, and pass by the other opponent? NO!?!?!

ArtK78, on May 23 2008, 08:57 AM, said:

He knows that I could have this hand for my 2♦ opening.

He does? I guess if your partnership counts points and suit lengths on your fingers he does, but I thought preemptive openings were supposed to be, oh I don't know, preemptive?

Maybe pass is right, I don't know, but my point is this is an impossible situation because we have a better hand for slam opposite self-sufficient spades than a 2♦ opener can possibly have.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 09:18

jdonn, on May 23 2008, 04:11 PM, said:

Maybe pass is right, I don't know, but my point is this is an impossible situation because we have a better hand for slam opposite self-sufficient spades than a 2♦ opener can possibly have.

Yes, this is a circular discussion.

If I can have this hand for a 2D opening, then partner knows that and could have investigated further.

If I can't have this hand, then I didn't open 2D in the first place.
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