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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2008-May-23, 05:59

ATxx
KTxx
Ax
Axx

14-16, your partner transfers to hearts. vulnerability and scoring is whatever you like
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Posted 2008-May-23, 06:09

Not whether. What metdods? Clearly a superaccept unless your definitions are weird.

I'll acknowledge that the defensive appaeal of a superaccept is wildly reduced because you have great defense and four spades, with the spade 10 as a kicker. But, you have four key cards, four trumps, and a doubleton, for arguably almost six covers. Although anti-percentage, you have play for game opposite 2-5-4-2 with partner having only the heart Ace as an honor. 2-6-3-2 with the same honor only is even better.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 06:13

Yes, of course, this is monstrous hand in support of hearts.
I'd superaccept playing 15-17 as well.

Two reasons to superaccept are
i) Pre-emts the opponents (not so relevant here)
ii) We get to game/slam we might otherwise miss

Give partner

xx
Qxxxx
Kxxx
xx

(which won't bid game even over a super-accept) and we only need trumps 2-2 for 10 tricks.

I know, that like Ken, I've come up with a 2542, but try a simulation giving partner say 5-8 HCP with 5 hearts and see how often game is making.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 06:18

I have been experimenting with antisplinters

3♥ minimum
2NT: Good hand, "pard: any splinter you have is fine!"
2♠, 3♣, 3♦: Good hand, antisplinter, "pard: a splinter in this suit is bad, but good in the bypassed suits"

After an antisplinter, partner can splinter below 3M with the inversion that 3M-1 is retransfer, while 3M is a game invitational splinter in M-1.

This hand would bid 2NT.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 06:50

Im not fond of super-accepting because i think the preemptive effect for them are overrated. But for bidding thin game they are important. Here its a obvious super accept.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 06:54

Even I would superaccept, and I never do...
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Posted 2008-May-23, 08:06

This is a clear superaccept.

The question is, how?

The usual superaccept on these cards in my methods is 3♦, showing a useful doubleton (Ax, Kx, xx) along with 4 trump and a maximum. But over 3♦, partner will be the declarer if he has to sign off in 3♥. If we have game, he can retransfer with 4♦.

The alternative superaccept would be 3♥, which tends to deny a useful doubleton in any of the side suits.

All things considered, I would bid 3♦. I am not particularly worried about the positional aspect of the declarership in 3♥. Quite frankly, it is probably better that the opening lead run up to partner on this hand, as I have all aces.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 08:27

Superaccept according your methods. This hand is very offensive, so it's perfect.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 08:44

Free, on May 23 2008, 09:27 PM, said:

Superaccept according your methods. This hand is very offensive, so it's perfect.

Well Free this hand doesn't offend me at all. I think its quite nice, and yes, I too would superaccept.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 09:09

<3 my hand - it's very powerful. Superaccept with whatever method I'm using. You save partner's trouble of whether to invite with those close unbalanced hands.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 13:00

I don't play the 14-16 range but holding this hand in the 12-15 range my super accept would be 2♠ showing 2.5-3 QT outside of trump (including one in ♠ as the cheapest one to show) and 4 card support with 1 of the top 3 honors. Now if partner has 6 hearts to the A and out we should be able to make 3nt.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 19:00

Obv superaccept. By the way, I hate superaccepts where I show a doubleton to the opponents. I much prefer to show a source of tricks.

Here's a neat little trick I recently learned. Use 2N as a diamond superaccept for hearts. That way responder can always re-transfer.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 19:49

Awesome hand for a ♥ contract and so easy to construct hands where 4♥ is favorite but PD won't even dream of inviting.

I'd super even if playing 15-17 with this 3 aces, 1 king and a ten in each of my long suits.
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Posted 2008-May-24, 02:34

pclayton, on May 24 2008, 02:00 AM, said:

By the way, I hate superaccepts where I show a doubleton to the opponents. I much prefer to show a source of tricks.

I prefer to do neither. I think opener should just bid one above the trump suit rather than volunteering information about a side suit.

Information about opener's side suits is hardly ever of interest to partner, but often useful to the opponents.

Furthermore, if there is to be any sharing of side-suit information, it's more effective for responder - who has fewer high cards to describe, and is the only one who can be unbalanced - to do the telling. For opener to show some potentially irrelevant side-suit feature risks using up bidding space that responder needs to describe his hand.
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Posted 2008-May-24, 04:01

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Here's a neat little trick I recently learned. Use 2N as a diamond superaccept for hearts. That way responder can always re-transfer.


I think this is a brilliant idea. Much better than showing some sort of max 4333 or anything else that I've seen for a super accept.
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Posted 2008-May-24, 05:26

mr1303, on May 24 2008, 11:01 AM, said:

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Here's a neat little trick I recently learned. Use 2N as a diamond superaccept for hearts. That way responder can always re-transfer.


I think this is a brilliant idea. Much better than showing some sort of max 4333 or anything else that I've seen for a super accept.

I use this method already a long time, very useful indeed. However I use it to show a weak doubleton. I find that more useful, similar to short suit trials...
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Posted 2008-May-24, 09:01

pclayton, on May 23 2008, 08:00 PM, said:

Obv superaccept. By the way, I hate superaccepts where I show a doubleton to the opponents. I much prefer to show a source of tricks.

Here's a neat little trick I recently learned. Use 2N as a diamond superaccept for hearts. That way responder can always re-transfer.

The little trick can be extended. I play exactly what you play (side suit, rather than small doubleton) but with the extension that 3♦ shows a maximum with 3433. When you have described a hand so precisely you don't want to be declarer anymore. Responder can place the contract or make a cuebid.

An additional advantage of showing the side suit (rather than the small doubleton) is that it can come in to play as the trump suit in a slam. Quite often, you can take 12 (13) tricks in the 4-4 fit and only 11 (12) in the 5-4 fit.

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