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Poll: what now? (22 member(s) have cast votes)

what now?

  1. pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 1NT (12-14) (4 votes [18.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.18%

  3. 2 clubs (8 votes [36.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.36%

  4. 2 diamonds (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 2 hearts (undiscussed) (1 votes [4.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.55%

  6. 2 spades (1 votes [4.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.55%

  7. 2NT (18-19) (6 votes [27.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.27%

  8. 3 clubs (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. 3NT (2 votes [9.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2008-May-18, 05:59

Scoring: MP

S - W - N - E
1♣-1♥-1♠-ps
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1♠ = 5+
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Posted 2008-May-18, 06:04

Sorry for being predictable but .... I would have opened 1NT.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 06:21

helene_t, on May 18 2008, 07:04 AM, said:

Sorry for being predictable but .... I would have opened 1NT.

My preference would be for a 1♥ opening bid. As it is, I'll rebid 2♣ and await developments.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 07:19

2NT. Partner usually won't have a crap minimum for a free bid.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 07:55

1NT the first time. If I open 1♣ and partner bids 1♠, a very predictable sequence, I have a rebid problem. (The 1♥ overcall was irrelevant to that problem.) I knew that. So, I open 1NT.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 08:17

LOL, just open 1N I mean wtp. Is it really so unexpected that partner bids spades and you have nothing close to a reasonable bid?
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Posted 2008-May-18, 08:43

Agree with opening 1NT instead of 1♣...
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Posted 2008-May-18, 13:36

If you can't stand 1♣ just think you have 1 spade and 3 diamonds
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Posted 2008-May-18, 14:10

Fluffy, on May 18 2008, 02:36 PM, said:

If you can't stand 1♣ just think you have 1 spade and 3 diamonds

I would bid 2C since 1N and 2N are both too off even though I hate to bid 2C.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 14:25

I would have opened 1NT the first time to avoid this common problem. Now I am stuck, but 2NT is too much of an overbid, so I'll be cautious with 2♣ catering to the fact that PD may have nothing more more of value in his hand than Axxxx in ♠
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Posted 2008-May-18, 14:50

Fluffy, on May 18 2008, 02:36 PM, said:

If you can't stand 1♣ just think you have 1 spade and 3 diamonds

Interesting.

♠x ♥AKJx ♦QJx ♣AJxxx

I have on occasion bid this hand by opening 1♦ and then rebidding 2♣, planning to covert a courtesy correction (2♦) to 2♥. My heart wants to do that. As it is, I suppose 1♣...2♣.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 15:00

I'll go with 2♣. An underbid, but 2NT would be an overbid by your standards and I really don't think a cue would show LESS than a game force.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 18:35

1N is a no-brainer even for a Cro-Magnon like me.

I'd 2N this now.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 02:11

I would have opened 1Nt but now i rebid 2S. I think 2S is safer then 2C. If the bidding goes on i might be able to reach 3Nt and if the bidding stop im happy to be in 2S instead of 3Nt or 2C.
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Posted 2008-May-21, 14:34

Maybe a fake 2 Diamond is nice. If pd has enough diamonds to raise this, he will have even more spades, so we can play 4 Spade or still reach 3 NT.

If he does not have a diamond fit, we will reach NT Spades or clubs without too big problems.
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Posted 2008-May-21, 14:40

kenrexford, on May 18 2008, 12:50 PM, said:

Interesting.

♠x ♥AKJx ♦QJx ♣AJxxx

I have on occasion bid this hand by opening 1♦ and then rebidding 2♣, planning to covert a courtesy correction (2♦) to 2♥. My heart wants to do that. As it is, I suppose 1♣...2♣.

So you show your 1=4=3=5 as a 1=3=5=4? At least they are permutations of each other... :blink:
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Posted 2008-May-21, 15:30

I think if you don't open 1NT you deserve even worse than this. And this is bad!
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Posted 2008-May-21, 16:07

Echognome, on May 21 2008, 03:40 PM, said:

kenrexford, on May 18 2008, 12:50 PM, said:

Interesting.

♠x ♥AKJx ♦QJx ♣AJxxx

I have on occasion bid this hand by opening 1♦ and then rebidding 2♣, planning to covert a courtesy correction (2♦) to 2♥.  My heart wants to do that.  As it is, I suppose 1♣...2♣.

So you show your 1=4=3=5 as a 1=3=5=4? At least they are permutations of each other... :blink:

Not exactly. I show a 1435 as a 1345 with partners that open 1♦ with that holding.
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Posted 2008-May-21, 16:27

kenrexford, on May 21 2008, 02:07 PM, said:

Not exactly. I show a 1435 as a 1345 with partners that open 1♦ with that holding.

Presumably then it can be a 1345, 1354, 1444, 0454 or 0445?

Certainly in standard, the auction would show a 1354, 1444, or 0454.

You've just added another hand type partner has to be aware of then. Funnily enough, in precision you've got to decide how to show a 1435. For us it would be 1D then 2C over 1S showing longer clubs (1NT would show both minors), but I could be a 3-5, 4-5, or 4-6 even with bad clubs.
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Posted 2008-May-21, 20:48

Echognome, on May 21 2008, 05:27 PM, said:

kenrexford, on May 21 2008, 02:07 PM, said:

Not exactly.  I show a 1435 as a 1345 with partners that open 1♦ with that holding.

Presumably then it can be a 1345, 1354, 1444, 0454 or 0445?

Certainly in standard, the auction would show a 1354, 1444, or 0454.

You've just added another hand type partner has to be aware of then. Funnily enough, in precision you've got to decide how to show a 1435. For us it would be 1D then 2C over 1S showing longer clubs (1NT would show both minors), but I could be a 3-5, 4-5, or 4-6 even with bad clubs.

Exactly.

I said that is where my heart is. I'm an old canape player. Hence, this appeals to me. :blink:
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