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#1 User is offline   jocdelevat 

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Posted 2008-May-15, 18:37

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Scoring: IMP


West North East South

 1♠    Pass  2♥    Dbl
 3♣    Pass  3♥    4♦
 4♠    Pass  Pass  ?
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Posted 2008-May-15, 18:39

Pass.

I don't much like the 4♦ bid.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-May-15, 18:44

655321, on May 15 2008, 04:39 PM, said:

Pass.

I don't much like the 4♦ bid.

Agree. I'm doubling again on the 2nd round. Have some more of that guys. If I still don't hear anything from partner, I'm going to sigh and go for 50s.
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Posted 2008-May-15, 19:27

Pass. Would not have bid 4D. Who doesn't have his bid? I suspect the 2H bidder.
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Posted 2008-May-15, 19:34

How can they make game with 20 HCP!!!111!!!
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Posted 2008-May-15, 20:14

rogerclee, on May 16 2008, 01:34 AM, said:

How can they make game with 20 HCP!!!111!!!

Quite easily if the fit is right. Slams can be made on 23 or so, grands on 27 with all the right controls. Admitedly this may not be a case of a good fit...

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Posted 2008-May-15, 20:37

NickRW, on May 15 2008, 09:14 PM, said:

rogerclee, on May 16 2008, 01:34 AM, said:

How can they make game with 20 HCP!!!111!!!

Quite easily if the fit is right. Slams can be made on 23 or so, grands on 27 with all the right controls. Admitedly this may not be a case of a good fit...

Nick

Whoosh! :)
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-May-15, 20:43

NickRW, on May 16 2008, 09:14 AM, said:

rogerclee, on May 16 2008, 01:34 AM, said:

How can they make game with 20 HCP!!!111!!!

Quite easily if the fit is right. Slams can be made on 23 or so, grands on 27 with all the right controls. Admitedly this may not be a case of a good fit...

Nick

You can make a grand in a suit on a combined 5HCP.
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Posted 2008-May-15, 20:46

The_Hog, on May 15 2008, 07:43 PM, said:

NickRW, on May 16 2008, 09:14 AM, said:

rogerclee, on May 16 2008, 01:34 AM, said:

How can they make game with 20 HCP!!!111!!!

Quite easily if the fit is right. Slams can be made on 23 or so, grands on 27 with all the right controls. Admitedly this may not be a case of a good fit...

Nick

You can make a grand in a suit on a combined 5HCP.

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Posted 2008-May-15, 20:59

Axxxxx
void
void
xxxxxxx

Jxxxx
void
xxxxxxxx
void

This of course assumes that K and Q of S are both s/t in the opp's hands.
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Posted 2008-May-15, 22:20

I was thinking of more mundane examples :)

♠ x
♥ Axxx
♦ AQxx
♣ Qxxx

♠ xxx
♥ x
♦ KJxx
♣ AKxxx
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Posted 2008-May-16, 01:14

Who are the opponents?
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Posted 2008-May-16, 03:42

effervesce, on May 16 2008, 08:14 AM, said:

Who are the opponents?

I think that's the right question to ask. If opps have their bid I may have only two defensive tricks (e.g. one club trick and one heart trick). Wouldn't double unless I know opps are notorious over-bidders.
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Posted 2008-May-16, 05:02

I recently bid a made a slam on 18 HCP combined. The ♣J was wasted...

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Posted 2008-May-16, 07:52

Sample hand for the sole purpose of increasing my post count....

AQJ9xxx
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x
AJTxx

One spade, rebid 3♣, rebid 4 spades. 7-5 isn't shocking, neither is the 13th card being in the unbid suit. This is about what I'd expect if my partner made those bids.

If the other opponent has the ace of diamonds, they make 5 (or sometimes 6).
If your partner has the ace of diamonds, it's down 1.

Before you think this is a 50-50 shot, consider...

1) If RHO doesn't have the ace of diamonds, he bid 2-over-1 with 4 hcp.
2) If they go down 1, the difference between doubled and undoubled is 50 points.
If they make 5, the difference between doubled and undoubled is 220 points.

Still feel like doubling?
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Posted 2008-May-17, 02:54

Hi,

X.

The good news is, if it makes we wont loose
much, also I dont have to play 4Dx.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: I am certainly not bidding 4D.
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Posted 2008-May-17, 06:53

Why would I double this ? Look at the opp bidding. Can I expect more than a J in PD's hand ? I suspect opener is 7-5 in the blacks. OK it's likely that the ♥ bidder doesn't have his bid, but so what ? Unless the opps are total clowns, I can't see doubling here.
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Posted 2008-May-17, 07:06

neilkaz, on May 17 2008, 07:53 AM, said:

Why would I double this ? Look at the opp bidding.

Exactly.

People need to remember that when the opps freely bid game (ie not a save), they know what they have. When you X them you are saying "I have something surprising that you could not have known about, and because of that you're going down." If you don't have that something surprising don't X, they know when they are deficient in HCP and they don't care. On this hand you have the worst spade holding ever and only 1 ace. There is nothing surprising except that the hand lays well for them.
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Posted 2008-May-17, 09:17

Smooth pass.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 22:36


Scoring: IMP


West North East South

 1♠    Pass  2♥    Dbl
 3♣    Pass  3♥    4♦
 4♠    Pass  Pass  Pass
 


I didn't X even I had the hate for that(20hcp hand and I couldn't play.Almost to cry lol).
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