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Nice hand Wayne! But my one is still the 6-1-6-0 from the SWPT xD
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Posted 2008-May-14, 10:59
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Posted 2008-May-14, 11:25
andy_h, on May 15 2008, 04:59 AM, said:
Nice hand Wayne! But my one is still the 6-1-6-0 from the SWPT xD
I don't remember the 6=6 from the SWPT. Remind me.
Maybe I sat out that match.
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Posted 2008-May-14, 11:33
kfay, on May 15 2008, 12:49 AM, said:
Cascade, on May 13 2008, 07:41 PM, said:
I think there are a number of things that suggest redouble might be reasonable.
1. The opponents are unlikely to bid 7♦ especially at these colours. LHO bid 1♦ then rebid 2♦. RHO simply jumped to game and then hit 6♠. There is no hint in this auction that anyone was considering slam and one opponent has expressed an opinion that 6♠ is failing. Why would they consider a Grand when undertricks are likely to cost them 200 and then 300 a time and maybe 6♠ is going down.
2. The odds favour a redouble if you think this is close between making and down one. Down one redoubled only costs 100 (we turn 100 into 200) but making redoubled is worth an extra 410 (1210 becomes 1620).
1. The opponents are unlikely to bid 7♦ especially at these colours. LHO bid 1♦ then rebid 2♦. RHO simply jumped to game and then hit 6♠. There is no hint in this auction that anyone was considering slam and one opponent has expressed an opinion that 6♠ is failing. Why would they consider a Grand when undertricks are likely to cost them 200 and then 300 a time and maybe 6♠ is going down.
2. The odds favour a redouble if you think this is close between making and down one. Down one redoubled only costs 100 (we turn 100 into 200) but making redoubled is worth an extra 410 (1210 becomes 1620).
Nevertheless they have the chance to run. And, frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if my hand is worth one trick. This looks like it could be a very profitiable sac for them even at IMPs.
The question for me is how many people would be in 6♠XX. Am I losing to them? With these hands, who knows? So I'll (hopefully) take my money and run right here. I've been on a team twice where my partners redoubled their slam contract and both times it worked out poorly (one sac, the other was wrong).
That is a very small sample to be drawing conclusions from.
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Posted 2008-May-14, 11:42
Cascade, on May 15 2008, 03:25 AM, said:
andy_h, on May 15 2008, 04:59 AM, said:
Nice hand Wayne! But my one is still the 6-1-6-0 from the SWPT xD
I don't remember the 6=6 from the SWPT. Remind me.
Maybe I sat out that match.
Yeah, then you probably did sit out
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Posted 2008-May-14, 12:12
... and the most important reason for redoubling was it was my birthday.
Here is what happened (I am not sure what conclusions you can draw) ...
I redoubled which quickly ended the auction - the longest pause was from partner. So the opponents were not "diving" in 7♦.
Partner had something like (I forgot to collect a hand record - too much celebrating the birthday) :
♠ xxx
♥ Jxxxx
♦ xxx
♣ Jx
So 6♠ looks pretty solid until RHO showed out on the first spade and LHO showed out on the first club.
Down one
Win 18 when teammates bid and made 7♦.
Even in club play we have duplicated boards for teams so I could check the results around the room.
The "winning" action on the board was an immediate 6♠ overcall. A few players that chose this action actually made 6♠ when they got a club discard.
Here is what happened (I am not sure what conclusions you can draw) ...
I redoubled which quickly ended the auction - the longest pause was from partner. So the opponents were not "diving" in 7♦.
Partner had something like (I forgot to collect a hand record - too much celebrating the birthday) :
♠ xxx
♥ Jxxxx
♦ xxx
♣ Jx
So 6♠ looks pretty solid until RHO showed out on the first spade and LHO showed out on the first club.
Down one
Win 18 when teammates bid and made 7♦.
Even in club play we have duplicated boards for teams so I could check the results around the room.
The "winning" action on the board was an immediate 6♠ overcall. A few players that chose this action actually made 6♠ when they got a club discard.
Wayne Burrows
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dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
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Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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Posted 2008-May-14, 12:49
The conclusion that I draw was that the redouble was 100% wrong, but you got away with it.
You were about to play in 6♠x, either making or down one, and the opponents are cold for 7♦. By redoubling, you gave them another chance to find 7♦ which, fortunately, they didn't find. So all is well that ends well.
You were about to play in 6♠x, either making or down one, and the opponents are cold for 7♦. By redoubling, you gave them another chance to find 7♦ which, fortunately, they didn't find. So all is well that ends well.
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Posted 2008-May-14, 16:18
mikeh, on May 14 2008, 12:16 AM, said:
Halo, on May 13 2008, 04:59 PM, said:
I'd bid 6S on the first round and not redouble.
Then you find partner with void xxxx xxxx AJxxx
And with him on lead, you find you can't beat 7♦ and you are cold for 7♣ Then par is 7S doubled, so 6S should be a small swing in.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-May-17, 02:14
I would have bid 5Nt on the first bid. Even if partner has xx in both black 6C should be the same then 6S. My 2nd call is 6S.
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Posted 2008-May-17, 03:22
I hate redoubling. You could easily go 2 off. As far as the opps never running, I dunno but if I Xed a guy who bid to 6C by himself because it sounded like he might be saccing and he REDOUBLED me if I didn't have black suit tricks I'd sure as hell think he was making and run. Even if you assign a run a 5 % chance, and assuming when they do run then it is not worth it. Also XXing could cost more than people are talking about if your teammates have a result like -200 (7D down, possibly Xed), or +500 (7S X -2) (now the extra points for going down far outweigh the extra points for making). I really cannot imagine risking such a good spot for a possibly marginally better spot when there are too many disasters (-2 or a run) that can happen.
(1♦) Pass (1♥) 1♠
(2♦) Pass (5♦) 6♣
(Pass) 6♠ (Dbl) ?