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#1 User is offline   ArtK78 

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Posted 2008-May-06, 10:41

Scoring: XIMP

1♦-(2♣)-2♥-(P)
2♠ - (P) - 3♥ - (P)
3♠ - (P) - ?


(1) Do you agree with the 2♥ call?
(2) Do you agree with the 3♥ call?
(3) What do you do over 3♠?
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Posted 2008-May-06, 10:42

No, yes, 4S.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-May-06, 10:56

han, on May 6 2008, 08:42 AM, said:

No, yes, 4S.

What he said.
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Posted 2008-May-06, 11:12

yes, no, 4♠
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Posted 2008-May-06, 11:21

(1)Some of my friends play negative free bids.With them yes; with others no.
(2)Yes
(3)4♠
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Posted 2008-May-06, 11:46

no yes 4♠, but the first no is very close
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Posted 2008-May-06, 11:54

It's fine so far. Now 4♠.
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Posted 2008-May-06, 12:06

gwnn, on May 6 2008, 12:46 PM, said:

no yes 4♠, but the first no is very close

Agreed and noting that the 2♣ overcall of 1♦ is a nuisance !
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Posted 2008-May-06, 17:41

Playing Neg Free Bid:
1) 2♥ (Yes)
2) 3♥ (Yes)
3) 4♠

Not playing NFB:
1) DBL
2) 3♥ (Though N may bid 3♠ directly with 6-5, skipping this round)
3) 4♠
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Posted 2008-May-07, 06:30

OK. It seems that most of you have arrived at 4♠ on this hand one way or another.

Here is the entire hand. Assign the blame:

Scoring: XIMP

1♦ - (2♣) - 2♥ - (P)
2♠ - (P) - 3♥ - (P)
3♠ - All Pass

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Posted 2008-May-07, 06:40

What blame?
I don't mind not to be playing 6♠.

Both player have shortness opposite partners longest suit, and there is no need to be in every 23 HCP slam. And after a ♣ lead, it's not even a good one.

But seriously: South showed a 6-5 distribution with a strong hand. He can't have more than 2 loser in ♥ and ♣ and North is covering a possible ♥ loser. North single in ♦ must be helpful to establish partners ♦ suit and limits loser in this suit to one. And South is covering a trump loser by holding the ♠Q. How many loser can South have holding a 6-5 distribution with (more than) opening strength?

100% North for missing game.
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Posted 2008-May-07, 07:18

blame for missing game.

Anyway, I think North shouldn't need to be ashamed of his slight overbid of 2♥. In support of spades, he's got a good hand, certainly worth the playing strength announced with 2♥. A raise to 4 is normal.
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Posted 2008-May-07, 07:22

I like stretching to bid the 6 card suit, but this one was too much of a stretch. If you made it a little bit better I would agree though. 1-3 in the minors is really not good. That being said, I slightly prefer Xing to passing (even though I generally hate Xing with this hand type). I would probably rank them X>pass>2H.

3H is pretty much forced since there's no other option, and 4S is clear since partner has shown 5-6.
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Posted 2008-May-07, 07:23

ArtK78, on May 7 2008, 07:30 AM, said:

OK.  It seems that most of you have arrived at 4♠ on this hand one way or another.

Here is the entire hand.  Assign the blame:

Dealer: South
Vul: None
Scoring: XIMP
♠ Qxx
♥ AJxxxx
♦ x
♣ 98x
♠ AJT98
♥  
♦ AQJxxx
♣ Ax
1♦ - (2♣) - 2♥ - (P)
2♠ - (P) - 3♥ - (P)
3♠ - All Pass

Well north passed a forcing bid so I guess I'd blame him! Having made the overbid of 2H it is absolutely horrible to then pass a forcing bid. If north is going to bid like this he should just quit overbidding. And it's not like north even had a bad hand for this auction, he had 3 trumps to an honor, an ace, and a stiff! WTF?
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Posted 2008-May-07, 07:42

OK. I was South. I thought that my bids were forcing, but my partner obviously thought differently.
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Posted 2008-May-07, 12:51

If one held the QH as well as the hand, I bid 2H.

Instead I like the double, freebid of hearts, raise of spades concept.
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