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Route to slam? Using natural methods
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Posted 2008-May-03, 05:46
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
s
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nd
ing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
str-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2008-May-03, 06:01
Open 2♣. Should be easy from there.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 09:14
Hi,
not easy, especially if they compete in clubs up to
3C / 4C, the only pos. thing is, we are both red.
First assume they stay silent:
1D (1) - 1H (1)
3D (2) - 4D (3)
4NT (4) - 5H (4)
5S (5) - 6D (5)
(1) SAYC style
(2) not everyone will like it, it is quite
heavy, if you dont like it try 3C or
try conventional methods
(3) sets trumps, forward going, given you
hold two Aces and know about a 6-3 fit
(4) RKCB, 2 KC
(5) asking for specific kings, no king
The main problem is the heavy 3D rebid,
... but at least I am consistent over time,
my partners have a chance to know this.
One possible conventional solution is to
use 2NT instead of 3D, or invert the meaning
of 2D and 3D.
If they compete, ... maybe using a good / bad
2NT auction will help you, the advantage in this
scenario, you will be able to generate a game
forcing seq.
With kind regards
Marlowe
not easy, especially if they compete in clubs up to
3C / 4C, the only pos. thing is, we are both red.
First assume they stay silent:
1D (1) - 1H (1)
3D (2) - 4D (3)
4NT (4) - 5H (4)
5S (5) - 6D (5)
(1) SAYC style
(2) not everyone will like it, it is quite
heavy, if you dont like it try 3C or
try conventional methods
(3) sets trumps, forward going, given you
hold two Aces and know about a 6-3 fit
(4) RKCB, 2 KC
(5) asking for specific kings, no king
The main problem is the heavy 3D rebid,
... but at least I am consistent over time,
my partners have a chance to know this.
One possible conventional solution is to
use 2NT instead of 3D, or invert the meaning
of 2D and 3D.
If they compete, ... maybe using a good / bad
2NT auction will help you, the advantage in this
scenario, you will be able to generate a game
forcing seq.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2008-May-03, 09:51
whereagles, on May 3 2008, 07:01 AM, said:
Open 2♣. Should be easy from there.
The original poster was careless. He should have said realistic route.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 09:55
I don't think you can get there from here.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 10:43
I rather like the idea of inverting the 2D and 3D rebid. Have to think some more on that
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
str-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2008-May-03, 10:54
I would get to 3NT via the auction 1♦-1♥-2N-3♦*-3N
Where 3♦ is checkback (3♣ would be a signoff). Playing methods where 3♣ is checkback and 3♦ is forward-going with support, I can imagine an auction where people took a view:
....2N-3C*-3D-4D-4NT-...
that gets you to 6 diamonds.
Where 3♦ is checkback (3♣ would be a signoff). Playing methods where 3♣ is checkback and 3♦ is forward-going with support, I can imagine an auction where people took a view:
....2N-3C*-3D-4D-4NT-...
that gets you to 6 diamonds.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 11:20
2NT-3C-3D-3NT-6D.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 11:24
han, on May 3 2008, 09:20 AM, said:
2NT-3C-3D-3NT-6D.
yeah, good point, there really is no good way to get to slam after opening 2NT. That was your point, right?
I mean, partner has the same auction with one less ace, so I'm assuming that your point was that you make that bid double dummy but only double dummy, right?
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Posted 2008-May-03, 11:57
I think this is one of those slams that precision people will find fairly easily and 2/1 or SAYC players will really struggle with. Not saying omg precision > all else, but this is definitely one hand where that system wins. opening 2♣ might get you there.. but its a tad light in uberness for me to open 2♣ on it personally. I've had 15 hcp hands that were much stronger.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 13:29
jdonn, on May 3 2008, 03:51 PM, said:
whereagles, on May 3 2008, 07:01 AM, said:
Open 2♣. Should be easy from there.
The original poster was careless. He should have said realistic route.
Don't be stupid. 2♣ is a perfectly reasonable way to bid strong 2 hands.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 13:29
whereagles, on May 3 2008, 02:29 PM, said:
jdonn, on May 3 2008, 03:51 PM, said:
whereagles, on May 3 2008, 07:01 AM, said:
Open 2♣. Should be easy from there.
The original poster was careless. He should have said realistic route.
Don't be stupid. 2♣ is a perfectly reasonable way to bid strong 2 hands.
I don't think he disagrees! If only this was a strong 2.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 13:33
Jlall, on May 3 2008, 07:29 PM, said:
I don't think he disagrees! If only this was a strong 2.
Well, in my book this fits the "Strong 2" definition. Just barely, but it does.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 13:41
whereagles, on May 3 2008, 02:29 PM, said:
jdonn, on May 3 2008, 03:51 PM, said:
whereagles, on May 3 2008, 07:01 AM, said:
Open 2♣. Should be easy from there.
The original poster was careless. He should have said realistic route.
Don't be stupid.
Agreed! Care to post the hand as an opening bid and find out how stupid everyone but you is? Or should I do it?
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 13:48
1♣ X P 2♣ P 2NT P 4NT P 5♥ P 6♦
Well, WE were reasonable...
Well, WE were reasonable...
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Posted 2008-May-03, 19:39
maybe 1d-1h-2s-4s-5d-6d?
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Posted 2008-May-03, 20:19
han, on May 3 2008, 12:20 PM, said:
2NT-3C-3D-3NT-6D.
Obviously, you don't know much about bidding.
It should be: 2N-3C-3D-3N-4D-5D-6D
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Posted 2008-May-04, 01:10
Some variation on
2NT 4NT
6♦ looks reasonable to me
We might bid
2NT 3♣
3♦ 4NT
6♦
Where 3♣ is our version of puppet Stayman and 4NT would promise both majors and be too strong for 3NT.
2NT 4NT
6♦ looks reasonable to me
We might bid
2NT 3♣
3♦ 4NT
6♦
Where 3♣ is our version of puppet Stayman and 4NT would promise both majors and be too strong for 3NT.
Wayne Burrows
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Posted 2008-May-04, 01:32
Cascade, on May 4 2008, 07:10 AM, said:
Some variation on
2NT 4NT
6♦ looks reasonable to me
2NT 4NT
6♦ looks reasonable to me
Last time I accepted an invite with an under min and extra cards, it required a good break and some guesswork... (the 1st of which failed). It cost some bucks in prize-money.
Guess I can blame it on pard for making an invite when he knew we'd have at most 32 hcp
Suggest a route to 6D