[shanbari]

Scoring: IMP



west opened 1H,

W N E S
(1H) x (3H) ?

south bid or not ?

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[gnasher]

Yes, I'd bid. I think it close between double and 3♠. Double avoids a 4-3 fit; 3♠ will make things easier if LHO bids 4♥.

[jdonn]

3♠, not close (not close to pass anyway). People passing hands like this is why these preemptive raises are so effective.

[P_Marlowe]

3S.

Take away the Queen and I would pass, but only
because of the vulnerability.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[neilkaz]

jdonn, on Apr 25 2008, 12:51 PM, said:

3♠, not close (not close to pass anyway). People passing hands like this is why these preemptive raises are so effective.

Agreed and another reason they are so effective is that many pairs seem to lack the means to catch them with a penalty double when correct and when they can't make their own game.

CLEAR 3♠ for me.

[Apollo81]

3♠ wtp they have a huge heart fit and we have some stuff

[kenrexford]

jdonn, on Apr 25 2008, 01:51 PM, said:

3♠, not close (not close to pass anyway). People passing hands like this is why these preemptive raises are so effective.

Well, it is close to a 4♠ call.

[FrancesHinden]

Well, because I play double as showing any two suits, I double. But I don't pass.

[Fluffy]

I agree with Uwe, we are strong enough for 3♠, but without ♣Q I would rather pass since someone is having overstrenght and will bid again.

[OleBerg]

Never pass.

I play D as showing exactly four spades. If partner only has three spades, I definately want to get to four of a minor. The idée of showing two suits with a double appeal to me, I have just never thought of it.

In standard methods I'd bid 3♠.

Best Regards

Ole Berg

[Winstonm]

jdonn, on Apr 25 2008, 01:51 PM, said:

3♠, not close (not close to pass anyway). People passing hands like this is why these preemptive raises are so effective.

The reason these pre-emptive raises are effective is because they take away room, creating a guess, not because weakish hands fail to bid.

We are going to simply love 3 spades when partner tables:

Kxx, xx, KJxx, AKxx

[Codo]

Before you bid 3 Spade you need to be sure that:

1. Pd plays you for values as if you have bid 2 Spade, so your slam chances are remote even opposite a power double.

2. Pd must know that competetive bidding is no science, you may end in a bad contract opposite a double like Winstons example.

If your partner is understanding enough for this, this is a wtp 3♠.

[shanbari]

here's full hand
6s make, diamond Kxx on side,

Scoring: IMP

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