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Posted 2008-April-16, 14:51

What convention do you use after opening 3NT (or rebidding 3NT showing a strong hand)?
..and how do you use it with following hand:
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Posted 2008-April-16, 14:56

Stayman and transfers.
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Posted 2008-April-17, 00:21

Anything you use over a 2 NT opener/rebid.
If this includes puppet stayman transfers and bids to show one or two minors, fine.
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Posted 2008-April-17, 00:27

What an awful system!

To make the best out of it, play normal stayman and transfers...
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Posted 2008-April-17, 00:29

Looks like an ew system to me too. Isn't there a strong 2♣ or 2♦ opening which you can rebid 2NT with?
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Posted 2008-April-17, 00:30

effervesce, on Apr 17 2008, 07:29 AM, said:

Looks like an ew system to me too.

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Posted 2008-April-17, 03:28

I would personally play:

4C- stayman (4D- both majors, 4NT neither)
4D/4H- transfer
4S- both minors
4NT- quantitative
5C- super gerber

Undiscussed, I would assume 4S was also a transfer
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Posted 2008-April-17, 04:59

I thought Baron and transfers was "standard" but I suppose Stayman and transfers has merits, too.
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Posted 2008-April-17, 05:06

Codo, on Apr 17 2008, 01:21 AM, said:

Anything you use over a 2 NT opener/rebid.
If this includes puppet stayman transfers and bids to show one or two minors, fine.

yes, mayor reason: memory.

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Posted 2008-April-17, 08:21

4♣ = Both opener and responder starts showing suits. If a fit is found, aces are shown on the 5-level. 4NT is used when suits run out and no fit is found.
4♦ = Transfer to 4♥, responder then passes or places the final contract or bids 4NT which asks opener to choose between the minors
4♥ = 5+♥, forcing (4NT by opener is natural)
4♠ = 5+♠, forcing (4NT by opener is natural)
4NT = Invitational to 6NT
5♣ = Natural, invitational to 6♣
5♦ = Natural, invitational to 6♦
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Posted 2008-April-17, 09:09

The system is awful, I Agree with Helene and Bende, Baron or something like looks much better.
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Posted 2008-April-17, 14:00

Free said:

What an awful system!

To make the best out of it, play normal stayman and transfers...

effervesce said:

Looks like an ew system to me too. Isn't there a strong 2♣ or 2♦ opening which you can rebid 2NT with?

Fluffy said:

The system is awful

Why do you find the system that bad?
btw: We play 2♣ opener weak with ♣'s (5c♣ and 4cM or 6c♣) and that opening happens a lot and is effective.
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Posted 2008-April-17, 14:05

I wondered what was best system. Over 3NT we play:
4♣: Baron, both bid 4 cards and 4NT is sign off.
4♦ and 4♥ is transfer.
4♠ is both minors, opener bids 4NT without 4c minor.
4NT is quantitative.
(bids at 5 level are undefined. suggestions welcome :angry: )
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Posted 2008-April-18, 00:31

kgr, on Apr 17 2008, 09:00 PM, said:

Free said:

What an awful system!

To make the best out of it, play normal stayman and transfers...

effervesce said:

Looks like an ew system to me too. Isn't there a strong 2♣ or 2♦ opening which you can rebid 2NT with?

Fluffy said:

The system is awful

Why do you find the system that bad?
btw: We play 2♣ opener weak with ♣'s (5c♣ and 4cM or 6c♣) and that opening happens a lot and is effective.

In Leuven they play this 2♣ opener a lot, but I have no idea why. They never got a good score against me after opening one of these...
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Posted 2008-April-18, 08:26

kgr, on Apr 17 2008, 12:00 PM, said:

Free said:

What an awful system!

To make the best out of it, play normal stayman and transfers...

effervesce said:

Looks like an ew system to me too. Isn't there a strong 2♣ or 2♦ opening which you can rebid 2NT with?

Fluffy said:

The system is awful

Why do you find the system that bad?
btw: We play 2♣ opener weak with ♣'s (5c♣ and 4cM or 6c♣) and that opening happens a lot and is effective.

perhaps because they believe that you should be able to exchange useful information below 3N on a potential slam hand.
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Posted 2008-April-18, 15:31

If you absolutely must play this, same methods as over 2NT eases the memory load for a rare sequence.

Kokish [2C-2D-2H=primary hearts or balanced GF] is miles above a natural 3N opening or rebid.
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